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5'10
155lb
17% body fat
39yo
On TRT since Aug 2025 and have seen a great improvement. Currently 200 test e weekly prescribed and 1g arimidex 1 day after.
in 2017 I did a cycle of test and tren to shred and it worked like a charm. Right now, I want to explore a bulking cycle and possibly do something like test and deca for 8 weeks, then cut with Test and Tren for 4 weeks followed by PCT.
If anyone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.
For 8 week bulk does test E 500 week
deca: 300–400 week look okay?
Then for 4 week cut does this look good test e 500 week tren 300 week work before PCT?
Added a very recent pic to show what we are working with here.
Edit:
My apologies. The initial post erroneously had my testosterone prescription at 500 a week.
It is 200.
I regret this mistake and sincerely ask for the forums forgiveness.
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You don't look like any 40 year old your skin and everything like guy said below just running try and being for in my experience guys skin veins and stuff look different so what I'm saying is if that's you bro your health must be amazing but the missing information the exotics off the bat ...you seem like a younger guy Im probably wrong but be transparent guys really want to help you even if you were fuck it you want to compete there are guys harsh but would give you solid advice like panda down below ..what he said is at your level would be that same maximum growth minize drugs prioritize health Godspeed
Are you 39 really bro ?
Yeah, 40 soon.
Brother, I was like why is everyone going in on my boy? Then I read your plans and I seen tren. Bro you just started and you should blast test first and see what kind of growth it comes with and get your body accustomed to all the shit that’s happening to it. Tren only came into play 3 years later for me and I’m scared of that shit because it activates the fight part of my brain at all times Lolol. Honestly bro, blast test like 3 times and then for a bulk go 500 test and 300 deca for 16 weeks.
The comments were totally on base. This is exactly why this community is so good. The feedback has almost 100% been on the head.
Appreciate the comments. I’ll make sure to read through them all after work.
Holy fuck, can you send me your drs information so I can get a scrip at that dose for TRT! Damn
i wish my doc would prescribe me 500mg test for TRT
Brother… I’m gonna be straight with you.
Those two questions?
Answer 1: No
Answer 2: No
Cause “Bulking” and “cutting” like you’re describing … 8 weeks here, 4 weeks there … that’s not how real tissue is built or lost. That’s just cycling drugs, not building a physique.
8 weeks isn’t enough to build meaningful contractile tissue.
Hypertrophy is a chronic process
… you’re looking more in the 16–20+ week range minimum if the goal is actual muscle, not just temporary weight.
And a 4-week “cut” with Tren before PCT?
That’s not a cut… that’s just stress on your system with very little real return.
Also gotta point this out…
If your plan is to “go back to PCT”, that already tells me you don’t fully understand what you’re doing yet.
PCT isn’t some reset button for performance.
Outside of fertility reasons… it’s pretty much pointless for what you’re trying to do.
And another thing…
You said TRT at 500mg Test + 1mg Adex…
That’s not TRT, Bud… that’s a blast.
And running that long term without living like an actual athlete?
That’s how guys run into problems sooner than they expect IMHO…
Bodybuilding isn’t:
“8 weeks bulk then 4 weeks cut so I’m done”
It’s:
time under tension, long phases, repeated exposure, diet consistency, and actually managing health markers along the way. That is what brings muscle maturity and density, you know… Thats the look most enthusiast are chasing.
Not trying to bash you, Big ,just being real so you don’t waste time (or mess yourself up).
If anything, I’d slow this whole thing down and figure out:
Because right now… feels like the drugs are ahead of the plan … and that shouldn’t be the case.
Thanks dude
It’s still crazy to me this type of common sense stuff has to be reiterated damn near daily and props for continuing to do it.
People are so eager to look a certain way they skip over everything else and go with how they think steroids work.
It sucks, but lots of these dudes will have to learn the hard way. I was trying to tell that autistic 24 year old looking at 9 drugs for a first cycle in eighty 7’s thread similar yesterday. Claimed “3 years of doing everything right and no muscle growth only fat loss”… obviously means you aren’t doing something right lol.
Can only hope and pray they actually take said advice.
Same people that post stuff like this end up posting here a couple months later like “Why are my labs like this, why do I feel terrible, why am I infertile, etc.”
Couldn’t agree more, brother. Everyone wants the result, nobody wants to build the foundation first… then reality hits … and we all know how that ends.
Its because they have never even tried to train naturally for a period of time - so therefore they don't know the basics of building muscle including Diet, sleep, rest, form, training etc.
They see someone in shape on social media or a film, then think right I wanna look like that so I need a gym membership and steroids. They don't have a fuckin clue about any of it, just what they want right now. In reality they don't even know if they like lifting weights - just that they wanna run steroids. Winds me up something chronic these days mate, add to that they can't even be bothered to do 2 hours worth of research of learning about what they need to do - its a case of come on here and put the questions to us and expect us to teach them all about building muscle from the ground up.
Fax !
Ignorance in the purest form.
Heck the kid I was referring to claimed to of done everything correctly for years and showed no muscle change.
Even people that “try” often do it all wrong. It’s just insane to me. If you aren’t seeing progress… maybe change something. Drugs aren’t required to get in shape or grow muscle, and they definitely aren’t a magic answer. They are a super powerful tool that many utilize to change their lives for the better. They can just as easily change it for the worse if you don’t know what you’re doing!
How’s that shoulder treating ya a few days later bubba?
Feelin a lot better now mate thanks for asking! Been on the BPC for 4 days and no idea if its that or just my body healing in general, but I feel like I will be back to normal in say a week. BUT thats just getting back to normal pain free again - will it support a decent weight again bringing in my bench grip and strengthening the RTC etc who knows? Waiting for an MRI scan in the next week and seeing the actual tear size to decide what next stage is. Apparently a surgeon will meet with me once the MRI is done to talk through next steps. I just cannot see how it will be small enough to still be workable mate - if they suggest opening her up and getting some anchors in then I will go ahead with that. Kinda use to the situation now pal surprisingly. Everyone I know who has had a decent bench has had surgery in one form or another - seems to come with the territory and I know its all been down to my actions, I'm not a victim in an unfair world here LOL
Well said ! Can I schedule a consultation ?
DocMcGainsThis should be an automatic response, or be pinned somewhere as required reading before posting. Well said.
Panda couldn’t have said it better. If you were a fat fuck and needed advice I had you. But panda is that guy. If anyone was allowed to go through that back door it would be him !
Panda ain't no backdoor turd cutter bro!!!
Lmao y’all wild… I’m just here trying to keep the boys alive, if possible.
Hey man - using that dialect you must of heard of Lainey Wilson??!
Haha maybe, brother … probably too much country music… Chris Stapleton, Zac Brown Band, all that shit..lol
Yeah but she's Sexy!!! I watched the Doc on Netflix about her the other night and she seems like a really nice, genuine girl. Really got her head screwed on about life and dealing with certain issues, very genuine and open. I found her Southern Drawl really funny at the beginning - but by the end I actually quite liked it!! LMAO Y'aaaaaaaawwllllll!!!!
She definitely is … Haven’t seen the doc yet, but I’ll give it a watch … sounds worth it.
Well said and thorough as usual Panda. This deserves a "yes coach"
I was gonna say yes pappy. But coach works. Do I still get the slap on the ass good game ??
do you even have to ask?
*slap
GG
Thanks for going into details for him Panda, I was not feeling it haha
LISTEN TO THE PANDA
Dude this is not making any sense. No Doctor is going to prescribe you 500mg of Test a week and then take 1g of armidex the day after.
500mg of test a week is plenty to get shredded for your basically first cycle. You just need to hit the gym hard everyday while on it and watch the gains happen. You want to take 400-500mg of Deca yet I bet you do not even have caber on hand. You want to bulk the fuck up and then cut all in the same cycle, why would you not just lean bulk for the cycle?
The whole story sounds sketchy
You got a script for 500 mg a week?
They hand that shit out. A kid I went to school with sent me his bloodwork. He had 920ng/dl test levels and still got a script for 200mg cyp. But the provider totally ignored that fact his shbg was 71 and his free test was so fucking low. He didn’t need test. He just needed to get a medication to reduce shbg to increase his free test. Yet I go in with base test levels of 138ng/dl in October and only wanted to offer me 200mg every other week. Nah. I’ll hit the eroids xD
That’s what I’m saying I’ve never seen a dose that high. 200 is cookie cutter for BS clinics prescribing online- I’ve seen tiration up to 400mg, but anything above that I believe is questionable.
I’ve seen people take 70mg a week and get to 1,100ng/dl, and others take 300-400mg to get to 900ng/dl. These are the outliers though. I would definitely flag that script for review before filling.
No shit.. let me get the number to that compounding pharmacy hahaha
DIET AND PROPER TRAINING- you don't need all that gear to gain a few pounds of lean quality tissue. You need to focus on your diet and training and the rest will fall into place while on 200mg of TRT. You should be able to put on 20 lbs if you get dialed in. Get locked in on that diet.
Sounds good. I think this is the best direction for me everything considered.
I mean no disrespect. But your physique doesn’t require all of that gear, and your plan is not laid out in a way we can understand it. Are you doing a 8 week “bulk” with deca followed by a 4 week cut with tren E and then PCT? You shouldn’t touch anything but actual TRT from your doctor until you have done significant research. Just my 2 cents.
I'll level with you man, I was just laid off and I split up with my ex so I was sort of going through shit and it felt like gear would be a way to make myself look good to feel good. After thinking about it, I'll just do natty and figure the other shit out.
Tren e or tren a for 4 weeks? Either one i wouldnt waste on a 4 week run. And an 8 week bulk i wouldnt waste any ether on only an 8 week run. Go 12-15 on your test only and see how good it is
I can appreciate the criticisms of my post, but I’d also like some feedback to my questions if at all possible.
PCT on TRT? Tf you talking about
Saw that. I was gonna reply to this guy but there's so much weird shit in his post it almost seems fake.
I’m new to this, so if I made a mistake on how to end a cycle while also being on trt please forgive me. It’s genuinely not something I have any knowledge on.
You don't pct when you're planning to stay on test after a blast.
If I were you I'd drop the cycle all together and just dial in some gains on your trt. (I'm assuming your trt is in the neighborhood of 200wk or so, not 500, hopefully)
Get some muscle built, you can build A LOT on trt with dedication in the gym. You can achieve 80-90% of your hopes and dreams, bulk/cut whatever on trt alone with the right diet attached and lifting right.
You need to get some ducks in a row, get some progress made and get some bloods etc before you blast.
Otherwise if youre hellbent on blasting, do the test only @500/wk like you're planning only.
So pretty much a beginner - already done one Trenbolone cycle and looking at doing another soon.
This post started off reasonably well until I saw trenbolone being thrown about like its just creatine.
500 test E and some hgh will accomplish anything you need done bro
Shiiiit 200 cyp/5iu a day has been money for me.
It's all about those macros. Can grow like a weed or shred hard as hell on a dialed in diet and a little gear. Obviously you know that, you're a fucking 10.
These guys are absolute dumb fucks.
See it all the time. Dudes think hormones are a magic wand and they’ll be able to keep eating like shit and grow without working out. Even if they think they’re working out and eating correctly- it’s very obvious when they are not.
There was that “adhdandrogenic dumbass” new account 150lb 24 year old in 87’s thread yesterday planning 9 different compounds for a first cycle because he “has gained zero muscle only lost a little fat after 3 years of hard training and eating correctly”.
These people just end up hurting themselves. Send labs into the red zone instantly and continue to practice their BS they think is “correct”.
It’s really sobering sometimes. These people walk around on this planet with us day to day. Drive beside us.