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This all started for me when I read a post by a serious vet SDM. Then Viking put up a picture and a post saying basically the same thing. SDM went on about the old days no one knew about ai's and they kept the estrogen and gyno under control. Then came the aha moment, SDM said that tanking estrogen could seriously hurt gains. Then Viking showed us that amazing pick of himself using no ai, having proviron and masteron act for estrogen control. Taking that info from those great vets and adding the expertise of CD7, rustyhooker, and Zewi, I came up with this cycle. 200 test prop eod, 100 NPP eod, masteron 600 per week split, proviron 40 per day and drol 50 per day 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. I started this aug 15 and in one month the results have been very good. Now I wanted this to be a lean bulk, if not more of a recomp. Started at 234 lbs 15 % body fat, now at 222 lbs 11% body fat, but am much fuller and tighter and have had to take the inzer belt in 2 notches. Also strength is way up. Want to thank the vets for all there time and vast knowledge. It's just another example of the power of the brotherhood we call eroids!
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RustyhookerGotta say thats damn impressive!! Some guys can switch from the norm. Others have gyno from even light cycles.
Grow well! Hope to see monster sized pics soon! 48
Thanks Fast. I gotta say its nice to get rid of the adex! No more creaky joints. Now the NPP could also have something to do with that too! I feel much more level now, which is interesting. It might have been better to do this without the NPP first, and then added the 19nor next cycle, but I know the guys running this experiment wanted to use decca or NPP, so I thought what the hell go for it. Also at 54 yrs old time is running short, and I have this comp coming in April. Will keep you posted with progress and am trying to figure out how to post a decent pick
Experience over old bro-science
With the advent of these new AI's people have gone to the extreme with either dealing with the conversion to estro or dealing with the side effects of the conversion. I would suspect that pulling bck on AIs and there daily usage and maybe using it E3D t a somewhat reduced dosage would give you similar gains...but gain tril and error
Another Brit... Gymchemist.. one of our sources is a former competitive BB and still to this day runs his stacks with mast/provi.......... never any Ai with results everytime... one of our pro,s on here EB has the same belief that tanking estro kills gains ..... again another Brit.
First I am glad for you brother! Also SDM & Viking are two of the finest men that can be found not only sharing what they have but having the willingness to do so. If you have the capabilities at some point it would be good and helpful to get your estrogen levels tested to confirm what you are feeling. It just adds great confirmation to the experiment. Again this is awesome news!
See what happens when you have the balls to experiment............. SUCCESS!!
Also helps when you have British Beef in your corner too!... (SDM and myself) LOL
Having you experts open the door makes it very easy, all we have to do is walk threw it! Now I also realize this more of an advanced cycle for someone with my limited AAS experience, so I am being very careful and focused on how I am feeling. So far love the 19nor and especially the masteron. Not so sure about the drol just yet, as I have only done one 2 week on and one 2 week off, so am going to be extra careful with the next on bit. So lucky to have you guys to show us the way and everyone here should be very grateful. Now if I could only have you bastards send me some of those famous Brit calfs to replace my skinny wannabe calfs!
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SHOCK EM!!
Hit them first every time you walk in the gym..... before any other exercise, 10 sets with enough weight to give 20 good reps.
Standing calf raise for 20reps then superset with donkeys with toes on the edge of a plate untill failure then back to standing raise untill all sets are completed.
Dont forget.. calves are an endurance muscle and have to be worked heavy and hard.... try this for 4/6 weeks and see and feel the difference..... ALWAYS, ALWAYS pyramid weight up NEVER allow the muscle to be stronger than the rep range.... this goes for all muscles but especially calves.
Will give that a go. Not being a body builder till now I really didn't care to much about them! With my first comp coming in April I must bring them up. Don't want those stubborn calfs to keep me from a trophy!
I've been having a huge problem with serum estradiol. My blood work is constantly atrocious and non of the AI's seem to be able to bring it down. I use 2.5mg letro ED. The masteron and proviron are that strong to counter the Test? And the drol? Wow. I usually run like 1g Test/wk. most cycles - tried backing it off - still crappy blood work. Do you check your E2 levels at all or no reason to bother?
Where I live the only way to get blood work done is through a doctor. Universal health care up here in Canada. Now that being said, if I felt things going off the rails I would get it done. I am lucky because I can seem to tune in to what's going on in my body easily. On adex I could feel the estrogen tank after taking it, sore joints etc. Then could feel the estrogen build back up, which would make me only feel good 1 day out of three. Now without the adex I have a much more level situation going on. Now this is also my first time with a 19nor, so I must be very aware of those sides staying under control as well. Now I am sure we are all different, and if you are having e2 problems you could try this approach and get bloods done to see if this helps. As long as you have an arsenal of ai ready if things go off the rails, I don't see how this approach could hurt if the standard ai protocol isn't working well for you!
waltrYeah be careful with the estro, I've got a mild gyno lump from doing this myself and letro at 2.5mg ED isn't doing much for it at the 1 week mark so far
Estro power! Just keep an eye on it, if estro symptoms show up, lets act on it ASAP.
Keep us posted mate. +1
Yes I should have added I've had no gyno issues at all. No sensitive nips no lumps and my chest is tighter. Also zero joint pain and libido is crazy strong. It just seems estrogen is more level, less of the tank and buildup that the e3d adex was giving me!