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Hope everyone is well during these strange times, good health and making the bills. I've seen a good amount of posts regarding PIP, lumps, swelling, etc... and would like to share some experience and education to all here.

Even though we self administer quite a few injections, and sometimes may feel its routine? Just another thing we have to do that day, or more than once that day? Its not to be taken so lightly. There's going to be those that say those with blood sugar issues do it all day long. Well, they get infections also.

Aside from the quality of the drug you may be injecting, and when I say quality I'm referring to cleanliness of not only the product, but treatment of vials. The BA is there for a reason, and some PIP in relation to the solvent is better to deal with than an infection.

Ok, let's talk business now. Its time for your injection, I can not stress enough the word sterility. You are introducing not only a foreign substance into your body, you're doing so by an intramuscular or subcutaneous injection. You may do this in your bathroom, I'd highly recommend against this. My wife is OCD, and I have a bit of it myself, but as spotless as our bathroom is, bodily wastes will transfer. An injection results in an open wound, so use common sense, don't sit on your toilet seat after a glute injection.

Ok, so let's consider proper completion of the procedure, and yes it is a procedure, remember, sterility is the key component of this.

Have plenty of alcohol wipes
Wash your hands thoroughly, 15 seconds under hot water with soap. Including under the nails.
Clean the top of your vial well with the alcohol wipe. You should see the moisture from the alcohol on the stopper.
Draw your medication and inject. There's multiple reasons to not preload your syringes, it would be sensible to change the needle, but I do not recommend doing so as you've introduced airborne contaminants at this point in time.
Clean your skin at the injection site thoroughly, unless I'm showered and confident, I always use more than one wipe.
Find your proper needle length, another topic altogether, but if you inject 1ml of oil sub-q you're going to have issues.
Inject and be done. There's theory of leaving the needle in for certain medications that are suspended in a thin solution, but injecting oils there's absolutely no need. For a larger amount, say 2ml or more, remove the needle and press an alcohol wipe against the skin. You want to remove the foreign body (needle), from your body as soon as you're done the administration.
Post injection cleaning is important. Clean the site thoroughly with more wipes, alcohol spray with sterile gauze is perfectly fine for pre and post injection site treatment as well.
I typically don't cover the site with a band aid afterwards unless I nick a blood vessel or capillary, but you certainly won't be doing wrong by doing so.

Hopefully I helped a few of you, just remember sterility. Most of the issues I see on here are more than like a result of improper administration rather than less than quality product.

Best wishes to all.

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Just a cpl of things from my injecting procedures.. I also like to pin after my shower in my bathroom. My body is warm and I keep my bathroom fairly clean. Don't scrub areas with alcohol wipes, just wipe area and let dry. I also like to use a stainless steel medical tray to put my products on. My oil bottles are stored in a clean sealed container btw uses. Inject slowly and do not massage injection site. There's more that I do, but imo these are what make me feel successful from infection and pip control..

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Tradesman34's picture

All good info also the use of medical rubber gloves come In handy as I always have a box on hand. I use a pair to get everything ready take them off and use a new pair before I inject. May be a bit obsessive but in the end it's better than any kind of infection that you can end up with especially during these times of corona.

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20sec minimum at 110 degrees minimum temp water. If there is any sporal bacteria then alcohol wont help. Clean room surfaces with bleach and wash hands with soap and water (not hand sanitizer) if you think you are in a high germ area. Treat your injection rooms like you are working in a hospital. But alcohol wipes on stopper, needles and skin at each step. I keep my open bottles and any other accessories is a ziplock bag at all times.

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GrowMore's picture

What are you doing with the boiling water?

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Perfect. The kill time for bleach is only like 30sec and will kill norovirus, covid and c-diff which are the hardest to kill. Things like lysol and other strongest disinfectants have 2-10 minute kill time and who has time to wait that long with a wet surface before wiping and injecting? Buy a tub of bleach wipes, have tons of alcohol wipes. Small expense compared to have a wound vaccum and drain tubes sticking out an infection.

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GrowMore's picture

Bleach is 10-60 minutes mate. Good advice grabbing the wipes though, always handy to keep things clean.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214356/

Bleach is a strong and effective disinfectant – its active ingredient sodium hypochlorite is effective in killing bacteria, fungi and viruses, including influenza virus – but it is easily inactivated by organic material. Diluted household bleach disinfects within 10–60 minutes contact time

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Yes anything diluted is 10 minutes. Do not dilute your bleach for virus cleaning (instructions should be on the bottles). I work in a nursing home and kill times are important to us. In 2020 use the list n epa kill times for viruses "https://cfpub.epa.gov/giwiz/disinfectants/index.cfm" if you want to get real serious with germs. Type the "epa" number on any bottle and you can also see its kill time for covid-19. We have to abide by up to date CDC and EPA regulations but we are getting too serious here for injection talk lol. I dont understand the boiling water question. If you are referring to the 110 degrees is it the minimum for board of health to kill germs. 212 degrees water boils. 120 degrees scalds after 5min and 130 degrees scalds after 15seconds.

Edit. Here in USA we use farenheit. I just realized the confusion. And yes her we are taught to use very different guidelines than other regions. I only speak for USA .

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GrowMore's picture

Yes confusion about different measurement systems! I saw 110 degrees and wondered what use it would be in this context but it makes sense now given I’m uk and you’re USA.

I used to work as a cleaner many years ago when I went to college and I picked up a few things along the way, you should dilute bleach as you’ll leave a salt residue on the surface area which can cause problems. Diluted bleach is as strong as straight bleach if we are speaking about general bleach as there as lots of different kinds, I can’t remember the dilution rate as it was a long time ago. 1:100 or something.

I really should get out more and up my Tren dose.

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Whats good is if you look up the medline bleach wipes we use its .5 min contact time. So wipes would be be better than most "bleach cleaners" . That "list n" site above is useful for anyone who wants to look up the epa registered on any of their cleaners. Lot of people dont realize contact time is the time it has to stay wet to kill the bacteria. I am way off subject but with what is going on killings virus and germs is very important.

https://cfpub.epa.gov/giwiz/disinfectants/index.cfm

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Pumped_'s picture

Never had a cyst in 10 years. I know dozens and dozens of guys that have but for me it seems real hard to get if you got OCD like me. I dont want to knock guys who have because it can be a number of reasons but i just dont want to ever have to explain to job or family how and why i got to go get my quad packed. I work with a bunch of nurses they will know exactly what was happening at home lol

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Pumped_'s picture

Wise men. +1 for you and Mol

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jrod91384's picture

I've always pinned in my bathroom. In front of the mirror. And I always pin after I get out if the shower. a shower relaxes your muscles. That's just what I have always done. But that's me.