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Ok guys, these are tough times for us all, we're all sharing what we know, I'd like to add. There's been a huge influx of alcohol and recreational drug withdrawal symptoms flooding the facilities, I get it. Many have been there, but if you can sweat it out, at this point you may save a life.
I'm going to keep this brief and to the point, as per my education and knowledge.
Protein- Be reasonable. We all know this, but too much will destroy your kidneys.
NSAIDS- be reasonable. Nothing will fry your kidneys and liver faster than these guys. It's common knowledge, but, just be careful.
Dehydration- Some of us may be viewing this as a great time to lean out for summer. Guys, it's definitely the right time, but the purveyors can still cosign you. Don't look at this as a time to go nuts and drop your water to early 1990s paper think. Again, consider your liver and kidneys.
Sugars and carbs- we do what we do, be careful. We may think that box of cosmic brownies may be a treat, but doing what we do, were more susceptible to blood sugar issues than someone that's used to that diet.
Look, I just hope everyone is well, use common sense in your day to day practice. If you take anything from this post, let be the OTC anti-inflammatory and pain meds. Best wishes everyone, it'll pass.
(Side note- No infections at my facility, and we're taking temperature at the door. In addition, any visible sign of sickness is non admittance. Executive directors directive passed down from CDC).
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Synthergine is what we have used for years for liver health.Proof is in the lab work.
SAMe, Tudca, Milk Thistle, Choline, & NAC is my stack for liver health!
Berberine and NAC are proven supplements for liver health.
Molinin302I'll look into them, I've only used milk thistle as my numbers have never been out of whack. They were years ago when I drank heavy, never with reasonable usage of anabolics. Thanks for adding to the thread.
Mate, speaking of Silymarin, I stumbled upon this old study done on rats, but the abstract is still worth a read. Seems that Silymarin can raise prolactin levels - maybe a good reason to try alternatives.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19303749
Molinin302Thanks bro, better to err on the side of caution.
No probs, mate. We are all here to help each other. Since I'm bored shitless - I will try to find some research on NAC and Berberine and post it up here.
I'm not convinced that Milk Thistle (Silymarin) has any scientifically established benefits - and I took it for years before researching it fairly thoroughly. However both that I have mentioned do...and both have other health benefits as well. Research and make an informed decision. Take care there.
TronYes, be mindful of your health always..and during the current times in these conditions be even MORE mindful. That's what I understood about this...Oh... and don't take OTC's ... and other stuff.. Is this a riddle? Am I right? You know what... Molinin you got me all kinds of confused with this lol Maybe it's how you worded it.. Idk....
I THINK he's trying to say avoid these...but I don't speak in tongues.
Relentless458LOL he can write it in Tagalog/Ilocano/Visaya and I still wouldnt understand
Relentless458I got negged for that? lol wow so sensitive
Molinin302I dunno bro, I neg people for dangerous posts, not clever comments. Maybe someone here is Philipino? Lol
Molinin302I broke my reader glasses and I have big hands lol. Yeah, too many people don't realize the dangers of them. OTC doesn't mean safe, and if someone who doesn't know takes a bunch for a sore whatever, say while on some orals... Well, best of luck. I'd actually be curious how many on here that have high liver values were also taking Tylenol, Aleve, etc...
I was and had high liver values but I was week 6 on anavar and I’ve taken 1000 mg a day of naproxen for a decade and 2400 mg Advil a day most days for the previous 18 years before that
Molinin302How were your values before the anavar? Anavar is considered one of the milder orals as far as toxicity. I'm curious about the mechanism and interaction. As far as I know, the only approved oral in the US is anadrol. I'm not familiar but I'm going to check the PDR for interactions. It's a curious subject.
I tried Anavar a couple of times and it always raised my sgot/sgpt values. It may be milder, but for me it certainly did have a negative effect - maybe some people are more sensitive to it than others.
Molinin302Yeah, without a doubt. We all handle everything differently, it's all about that sweet spot.
Also I did a heavy leg workout before that on cycle blood work which I didn’t understand at the time could give you a high reading on one of the enzymes and also work had been hard and my body was in a state where I was loosing weight/tissue. And also I had a respiratory illness so those could have also contributed to the elevated levels. It was one in particular that was well above range but isn’t necessarily indicative of liver stress, I investigated the elevated enzyme after I got the results and read that a heavy leg workout could cause that and that one in particular was much higher than the others but it still scared me a little so I discontinued use of the oral anavar when I got the results just in case. I was using liver supporting supplements as well like NAC ALA milk thistle and live52. Picked up a bottle of tuda after the test results and added that too.
I've also read that heavy resistance training can elevate liver enzymes for a couple of days after training. I think the ALT is what will be raised looking at blood work.
Yes that sounds right, I just couldn’t remember without digging out my blood work, and I was at work when I replied
Molinin302Absolutely. There's cases, albeit rare, of near renal failure. People taking long layoffs with very little or no exercise then going all out in the gym. The body produces all kinds of acids and creatinine that needs to be filtered. Well, everything gets filtered. There's no substitute for common sense.
My company gives us a discount on our health insurance if we get annual blood work which they provide for free. I use to drink to much but found that as long as I didn’t consume alcohol the day before the blood work my liver values would be within range. Otherwise they would be slightly over range. And that was with using cox-2 inhibitors on a daily basis
Molinin302Thumb up for being on point my bro
Relentless458wtf is this? Just wanted to ramble and no one was paying you attention?
" If you take anything from this post, let be the OTC anti-inflammatory and pain meds."
RustyhookerThis post makes no sense whatsoever. Recollect your thoughts and get a good forum built
TronMolinin told me he could beat you up. He said he could beat you with one hand wrapped around your penis and his other hand elbow deep inside your asshole.
Liver health midget
RustyhookerI wear kiss boots to fell better though....lol
Molinin302Have to thumbs up that one lol, it paints a picture in the mind.
TronPM locations . Rusty said he could beat you with his wiener trapped between your butt cheeks.
Good info bro. +1
Solid post dude!