posted Thu, 10/17/2019 - 11:23
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More agression from test prop
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After a bunch of cycles using test e and test prop I've noticed I have much more agression in the gym when I use test prop, I figured its because the peak amount of test is higher than when using test-e e3d for example which releases more gradually over the course of it's half life.
I figured that 125mg of test prop everyday gives you 149mg of test at it's peak, then it drops down to 96mg.
Now to get a similar peak when using test-e I'd have to do 350mg eod, the peak release is 142mg and then it drops drown to 112mg.
Would that give the same agression or is there something else going on? I don't mind pinning everyday or everyother day so thats no issue.
Estrogen is in check.
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Iron_Bound1I feel aggression is not a gear thing but a mental thing. If you are an aggressive person you may feel more aggressive but if you are a calm person gear will not turn you into an aggressive guy.
BigCactusYou must have never tried tren or halotestin. And like I said it's agression in the gym towards the weights not in my personal life or towards others.
Ohh Yeah babyyy, that's why I use prop also. When it comes in for the first 10 to 12 hours its pretty much like lifting on some TNE and you feel and are much more powerful. The trick I've found is to run a base of Test E behind the prop so you don't get as many troughs when you are waiting for the next shot to come into play - it also keeps your anabolism levels higher. I've set my best PR's using Prop & enanth this way.
BigCactusI did a plot for that too lol I love plotting shit. If you do test e and test prop together eod you don't dip as low as when you'd do test prop only. I'm definitly going to try that in my next cycle.
At what doses do you run each?
AnonI've run 250 E3D which is like 586 a week or something, with 75 prop a day and it was amazing. One of my favorites except for ai dosing and related acne for me lol..but the rage man...it's always fun at a gram. Not necessary, but it's a hell of a Kickstart. Too much imo. I don't mind waiting a bit for the peak on C / E and just running a couple weeks longer at 586 a week.
BigCactusLol, I can imagine the weights didn't know what hit them. I never have issues with acne or gyno tbh thank god.
jayisknever ran prop alone. ran it with sus or test e. I do know but about 2-3 hrs after a shot of prop my libido is through the roof. Actually to the point of being annoying.
AnonI've never liked prop EOD..I hate it. Idk if it's in my head or what, but I feel like I'm having mood swings, or just highs and lows..couple days after I switched to ED I realized I felt way better.
I've only tried EOD twice, one with ace and I chalked the swings up to the tren. Then again as a start to a cyp cycle.
I agree with the rate of change being what we notice as a "feel". Prop makes me wanna fuck and fuck shit up. On cyp I feel more of a gradual increase that's less noticable for a while, but still there none the less!
Yeah, it's the same way for me. I liked prop when I was younger because I "feel" it more. Now I prefer the smooth and steady ride of cyp/enth.
BigCactusSpot on! If you plot your prop cycle you can see your levels drop pretty damn fast.
AnonLooks like a freaking comb on that graph lol! Waaay up, waaay down..
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/the-true-drip...
I doubt it read that link bro, and Rusty has got you below it's probably a placebo effect.
BigCactusNo it's pretty accurate, check out steroidcalc or any other cycle plotting app or site. But yeah maybe it is placebo maybe not, a big part of the game is mental though I don't mind it either way haha. If it helps me get through those tough workouts i'll take the placebo effect.
You need to plot it at 105mg of test prop, because 125mg prop actually translates to around 100-105mg test when you take away the ester.
which peaks around 125mg and drops around 80mg.
But yeah steroid calc is boss. good luck bro.
RustyhookerCant forget that these calcs do not figure in tge real world. Everyone converts to e2 and dht at different rates. So having a real peak value is still just a lab calc and not thinking bout reality. Its a great tool but...has its flaws. Easy nuff to see in comparison between guys not needing ai at a good dose and those needing letro to control any dose.
no doubt bro, everyone is different for sure . I mean take a newbie with fresh receptors he can run low doses with phenomenal results, while a 15yr vet runs a gram a week and struggles to see the same effect.
Mainly I was just pointing out the underlying doses once you take away the esters.
RustyhookerYessir. Just pointing out tge obvious since this place is chalk full of newbs lately.
BigCactusThats true, but it does give you a nice visual of what happens when you take a certain ester. I think when you see the graph for test prop eod you'd rethink your decision based on that alone haha. And opt to go the everyday route
BigCactusAahh oke didn't know. Thanks for the heads up!
I think it's that the serum level rises so quickly with the Prop; it's closer to taking a shot of TNE. Just my opinion.
Agree with Rusty. Could be bit could also be placebo. If I had to bet I would put 25% of my chips on legit 75% placebo.
One thing to keep in consideration is that you won't have as much conversation of prop to estrogen as you will with E/C so that will add to the higher- albeit shorter peak. If you can live with ED pins it would be your best bet to keep levels steady.
BigCactusThat makes sense, so less estrogen conversion more test basicly.
Yep, that's the quick and dirty. The prop ester metabolizes and releases the hormone so quickly that there is less time for the body to covert the test to estrogen.
What are you running to control estrogen on cycle?
BigCactusArimidex at 0.25mg e3d and sometimes I throw in some extra proviron or masteron for a few weeks. But the arimidex does the job atm.
Sounds about right for the a-dex at that dose of prop. One of the reasons I prefer shorter ester test is not having as much extra estrogen to manage.
BigCactusDo you prefer sustanon over test-e with that in mind?
It's definitely a pro, but I normally use long esters now just to reduce injection frequency. I shouldn't have said that I "prefer" short esters. More like it's an advantage of short esters. With that being said though, I prefer either going with long or short; I'm not a huge sust fan. Nothing wrong with it, I just like going with one or the other.
I typically stack prop with NPP/Tren Ace. Otherwise I stick to E/C. I'm also on TRT so it's easier to just increase the dosage of the long ester I run year round for maintenance.
BigCactusMakes sense to just increase the dosage instead of adding a bunch of extra esters. Never been a fan of sust either but I'm always open to give it a try.
RustyhookerEod at longest with prop. 48hrs and it falls out quick.
Aggression....could be....could be placebo. Either route, if its got you solid focused then ride tge wave. Eat big and tear up the weight pile.
BigCactusTrue that, I'm feeling great on that stuff. It still bothers me that I don't get the same effect out of test-e.
RustyhookerAnd thats the placebo that pokes at ya in a real way. When test hits....cleaves....faster, then you can "feel" it to a degree faster. If you feel the effects and/or sides then its easy to note its there. As in a beer vs slammin a double shot of whiskey. Placebo is that feeling enth is slower or less because it builds slower. When the longer esters are shown to be more anabolic.
Either way...i do enjoy these types of views and debates. It opens up the box of individuals in body usage, foods, gym and perception. A full and whole debate varied by a ton of info. Fun times!
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-is-not-t...
To each his own with half lifes and esters...lol
And, how did you derive this information?
BigCactusA website called steroidcalc, you can plot your whole cycle there
Cool cool...that seems about right...after I thought about it...TP and aggression, I would agree with that...it's that 3 day half life....seems more like 2...
BigCactusI'm wondering about it because the 875mg test prop a week is the most test (of any kind) I've ever used. Going 350mg of test-e eod would total a whopping 1225mg a week which seems like an awful lot lol.
It is and it would be very powerful, especially with provi...so, be careful. E/C for me are perfect for my time frame, and how I function and when to expect the peak.
You would lose more of the E to estrogen conversion unless your AI is dialed in plus you have to take into account the heavier ester weight of E.