posted Thu, 01/18/2018 - 21:16
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Pls Help guide me with the PCT
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edit : So from the info I gathered so far, the cycle will look Like this :
w 1-8 Enanthat 500 mg/week split in 2. So if i get the 10ml bottle 500mg/ml..will I inject only 0.5ml at a time right?
w 3-10 Anastrozolos 0.5mg/Each other day thats Half a Pill? right 1 pill=1mg
w 10-13 ..here is the debate :
Clomos 100/100/50
nolvadex 40/40/20 Article "Cycles;The safe way"
or just : nolvadex 40/40/20 as I read on the article" How to run a Cycle", here., that also includes Weeks 4-12: 500iu's of HCG per week...?
Can you guys gimme a tip here? Thank You in advance!
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A lot of bro science points to HCG during cycle but a lot of ifbb pros I know do not believe in that they use it post cycle for many reasons one being that using it throughout cycle tells the body it no longer needs to produce because it is getting it from an external source. I use logic and personal experience. I go post cycle hcg also. But cycles are a science experiment u have to zero it in with what works best for yourself.
That is stupid advice -1
Why? Because your needs may or may not be similar to his needs. You sure as fk didnt ask him why he wants to use hcg
Here is a hint or 2 for you, by the way... entirely factual
Some reasons to use HCG, for a bodybuilder:
1. To maintain aesthetics
2. To maintain testicular volume
3. To help create testosterone
4. To help create estrogens
5. To help prevent primary failure/degeneration
6. To help maintain primary sensitivity to seconday hormonal signals via a synthetic
7. To reatore and prove primary system is functional pre post-cycle therapy
8. To assist with a faster post cycle reboot by having kept the engines running and proving primary function
Guess how many are on cycle?
Hint... all of them.
Thanks all for the feedback and andvices. Today I started my cycle, and it looks lilke this :
w 1-8 Enanthat 500 mg/week ( 250mg tuesday night, 250mg saturday morning)
w 2-10 Anastrozol 0.5mg every 2-3 days(maybe start even now inb week 1?)
w 1-4 Turanabol 30 mg/day
w 5-10 500ui of Pregnyl( HCG per week)
w 10-13 Clomid 100/100/50
Tamoxifen 40/40/20
As always any feedback greatly appreciated!
Pct is no bueno... clomid loaded silly... tamox overdosed (double needed dose!!!!) At 40
Ai use is probably going to kill estro
Tbol? Why bother? 4 weeks fornwhat end? Pointless.
Here is some feedback... you aint researching, aint open to feedback and seeking co sig's
your pct regimen looks proper. You could easily do just the clomid or just the nolvadex and get the job done but some people like to blast both. I have done both in the past but now just stick with the nolvadex. With the hcg, I would run 500 every three days. I have tried running 250iu twice a week but it was ineffective. For me the sweet spot was 500iu every 3 days. Regarding the anastozol, I would start the second week. I would start with .5mg every 4 days. I have tried doing more and crashing your estrogen really saps your energy and makes you feel fatigued all day. You can always increase the dose but I am pretty sure .5 every 4'th day will be more than enough. good luck man and post your results.
If you do not know how to dose and time hcg effectively, you should not be advising people how to do it. Research the half life. -1 for wverything you said above... particularly for praising a 3 week pct cycle.
Mitamike..... forgetting your original post... which you hopefully have done....
What have your learned so far?
well..alot actually.i am reading all articles..i can find, the ones JARHEAD provided the links are very very useful. CYcle shoud look like above I edited the originalk post.
After reading alot, I was wondering if 300 mg/week of ENA woud suffice? or DO I need 500..hmm
IF ineed i will need 500mg...from what I understand..i'll have to pin 0.5ml twice a week..(refering to 500mg/ml bottle of 10 ml) ,which it will result in alot of PIP..maybe go for 250mg/ml ampoules instead? Still researching. Thanks all who have been usefull so far!
+1 for changing your attitude and taking our advice on board! Keep researching until you are 100% confident that you know what you are doing and the risks that come with cycling buddy. Everyone is here for the same reason to gain as much knowledge as possible.
If you’re claiming you plateaued at 20%, then your diet needs a huge overhaul my man. Also, cycling at anything above 15% really is setting yourself up for exacerbating the possible/inevitable side effects.
I’m glad you’ve at least realized that deca was a bad idea- unfortunately not many people realize the true potency/possible harsh side effects/immense responsibility that comes with running 19-nors.
We’re not being smartasses nor are we trolling you my man- manipulating your hormones is NOT a game nor is it a stroll in a park just anyone can/needs to take. It can and will take more than just your money away from your wallet if you don’t excercise extreme caution.
I encourage you to listen to the highly intelligent and highly successful guys that have given you their advice of holding off on running your cycle- 1.) study nutrition and dial your diet in, there are MANY guys here that are more than willing to help you if you’re willing to just listen and take advice. 2.) dial in your work out regimen and make sure it’s optimal 3.) study study and study/research some more on AAS, how they work, the side effects/how to monitor for them, etc. The link jay provided is invaluable advice and a perfect place to start.
yes..thats why i am here..to gather as much info as possible and adjust accordingly. thanks for your time to write
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Great advice
Here’s some more research for you to read & follow while you ditch that cycle for now.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
tnx again..will lecture that too
Your cycle will be one pin long if that is what you plan on using?
what do you mean by pin long? (english not my primary language...in technical terms :D)
The high mg has a lot of pip
after your first pin you will never want to pin any of it again
so then shoud i take the 250 mg ampoules? instead og 500 mg bottle
500mg/ml is for advanced users. You are not an advanced user.
RustyhookerYour cycle idea is bad. Youre gonna hurt yourself.
yea..based on users feedback here..I changed the cycle..edited the description.thanx!
RustyhookerYoure being spoonfed which is why youre not learning. And setting yourself up for disaster.
You might have to elaborate on spoonfed. He may not know what that means...
indeed very funny.Even though english is not my primary language..I know what that means. I am doing research, reading all articles I can find here on eroids, dont need to mistake, asking for advice, because i want to hear other people opinions, with SPOONFEEDING. all the best!
LOL
Still have some research to do on that cycle.
Research here
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-my-2%C2%A2
Oh man you are way in over your head here, and I don't see this turning out well for you. No way you are ready to run a 19nor and if you were this is just a plain shitty cycle that I wouldn't recommend to anyone ever. You really need to do a lot more research and I think you will quickly realize why what you have here is a bad idea. Real quickly hit that blue magnifying glass up top and type in beginner cycle and that should get you started on the right path. If you have questions after doing that and researching a little please hit us up if you need further clarification on things or help tweaking a more appropriate cycle.
yea, I already agreed on just 500 test, for first..in my last comment, maybe I shoud modify the main topic.we just need to sort out the PCT now
thanx for advice
@Bill g : You are very usefull, that's the spirit!...
Now to be more specific...if anyone whos not trying to be a smartass or be ironic i woud appreciate the help.
Yes you are right about the Test only, I was thinking about that myself to be honest, only reason I opted for deca also was for the slight pain...but maybe I save Deca for next cycle., as the plan is to do a cycle starting 1 february, 8 weeks, then time off 2 months.then starting wih June the next cycle( in which I can do Deca, ENa, and finish with some Anavar, but that is to discuss for later time)
So then lets agree on 500 Ena/week for 8 weeks? for now... E7D
PCT: I know the standard with Clomid and Nolva, but as I said earlier...the supplierdoes not sell those, but theyr own products, which include : Anastrozolos(arimidex) , Clomos, Toremifene, Letro.
I asked for dosages, because I assumed, beeing different drugs(even tough may be similar and serve the same purpose), they may require different dosages? based on concentration,etc.So guys, which ones do I need, if ill go with just testo 500 E , as stated above.?
Now if you dont feel like beeing ironic, I woud greatly appreciate all advices!, thank you guys in advance!
If you buy those products from the UK they are called one thing if you buy them from the state's they are called different. Clomos sounds like Clomid. Don't be a dumb ass. Find out what it is. just cause the name is different doesn't mean it is different. You have to find out what it is. We can't tell you because we don't know. Blanca is white in Mexico. And if your joints hurt and you can't work out with out pain you don't need to cover that up with drugs. Especially ones that give you the ability to lift more weight. Causing more injury. And I don't know what 1.75 meters is but 180 pounds is little maybe you should learn how to eat.
Oh you dont know what 1.75 m is?..is called the METRIC system..you know the system that the rest of the world use, except maybe US,UK? :)) but you know, 30 seconds on Google coud tell you that!, before you spam here nothing usefull..do your research!
IF 90 kg =aka= 198 pounds is a little for 175 cm = 5"7 height..all natural..then u have serious issues...
Yeah all trolls are 5'7" and 200 pounds. And "all natural". Quit arguing with every one and do your research.
I think you are the only troll in here...the only one arguing..with nothing constructive to say!
"So then lets agree on 500 Ena/week for 8 weeks? for now... E7D"
I'd split the dose into 2 injections a week if I was you .
Good info about toremifene https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/toremifene-p...
thank you
30 seconds on Google will give you those answers. You know all the why's do the research
This is what I was getting at! +1
That's funny . He got all but hurt over it too. Glad i didn't say what came to mind first. He prolly would have had a comeappart.
Relax. I know The whys of PCT and HOw Stuff works. All I asked is since IT was obvious i was Gonna order from pharma. What are there substitutes for clomid And nolva, just to make sure..i assume Clomos And Toremifene. I know i’l stop deca 1 week before test. Then after 2 more weeks i’ll Take PCT for about 3 weeks for This cycle.
Is Ok i hâd deca On my first cycle also.no gyno Or harsh effects. INEED deca because i have problems with articulations , Slight pain in elbows And wrists , also my back..since forever.
IM 33 yo, 1,75 m , 90 kg around maybe 20% bodyfat. Doing bodybuilding since 6 years.hit The plateau like 1 year ago.
So i just need clarification On pharma PCTs stated above,please?
There's no need for anyone to relax. We are here to help but you don't seem to be interested in what we have to say you just want to be spoon fed. 8 week cycle and stopping the deca 1 week before the test so you will be running the deca for 7 weeks? No point in having it in your cycle at all if that's what your planning. nolvadex and Clomid for pct. Keep caber on hand in case of any prolactin issues due to the deca. Ai will probably not be needed as your only running 300mg test. You need to run bloods to judge. But as I said 8 weeks of test and deca at such low doses will be useless but your probably going to go ahead and do it anyway.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/pre-cycle-protocol
You need to do some more research in to pct protocols and the difference between a serm and an ai. Also 8 weeks on deca is nowhere near long enough. By the time the deca kicks in your stopping the compound. If it's been that long since your first cycle why not just run a simple test cycle at 500mg a week. Your receptors will be fresh and will feel like your first cycle anyway. Please post your stats and goals and you will get some more help
Slow down my man- Deca is NOT a 2nd cycle compound, especially when your 1st was ran “years ago”.
Also, if you not only do not know what PCT protocols to utilize understand, but also do not know why you use the compounds you use during PCT and what they do, then you need to do more research brotha.
What are your stats? What are your goals? How’s your training and diet look? Let’s focus on that for now until you further research and self-educate on the various phases of the cycle and the “whys” behind every step of the way/compounds.
In order to truly know what one’s doing, one must know not only the process but also the whys and how’s associated with the process.
Edit: Also, the names of the compounds haven’t changed; however, there are a multitude of different names for each different compound from each different lab/pharma company. They will always have the “generic” name listed as well.