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I started writing this on a thread about PCT dosages. I got sidetracked due to me being ADD and decided to speak my mind. Well here's my 2¢

Truthfully dosages are extremely user unique. Sort of thing that's best determined by a multi faceted approach. Personal experience. Past blood tests taken on pct. Length of cycle. Dosages ran on cycle. Compounds ran during cycle. Body to medicine capatability(allergies).
One must research and get bloods done for every cycle and PCT.
In general, three to four medications are used. Depending on the users preference they are Clomid, Nolva, Aromasin, HCG. That's where previous experience comes in. What has worked for me? What dosages did I run? Did I take labs to back it up?

Allergies, compounds used on cycle and cycle lengths n dosages all determine which PCT meds to use. 19nor cycles for instance. They shut ur HPTA down hard. Your going to want to be proactive and run HCg during the cycle to make the pct transition much easier to facilitate a reboot of the HPtA. Also add a lil bro science vs science and using Nolvadex as part of pct for a 19nor cycle might not be a good choice as part of ur pct regimen. That's where a new Serm to the PCT game Toremefine comes into play. It should IMO be used in place of Nolvadex for all 19nor cycles as a precautionary measure. Agrievated prolactin sides are a possibility or as many users can testify elongated shutdown and being forced to run a second PCT. I believe the Nolvadex is somehow neutralized and relegated inefficient by this "Sensitivity" to prolactin. But that's all "SexyMexy-Science". Toremifene. Research it, check it out.

Certain folks are allergic to clomid. Blurred vision and such. Again personal experience is huge. Blood test taken during previous pcts are another great asset in determining dosages. What dose worked? Was ur reboot long and difficult? That may help u decide to up the dose or lengthen the pct.

Aromasin use on PCT is a relatively new facet of PCT. Up to 7months ago many experienced or advanced members here didnt support its use in PCT nor did they even consider it anthing related to PCT. I see their posts and threads now and how their tunes have changed. Aromasin has so many different benefits to PcT it's almost hard to argue against its use so i wont go there and regurgetate why its benficial. It also will be a catalyst in incorporating HCG into the PCT regimen. There is a great thread call HCG in all its glory. Read it. Memorize it. Live it. Using high doses of hcg which IMO for 19nor cycle pct is a must. Only downside to using high doses is it spikes some estradiol production. Aromasin will counter that production and regulate it causing a homeostasis of the hormonal axis. Funny how I say homeostasis for PCT since actually the process is a wide swing of the pendulum. By using these meds u are stunting that E2 production and triggering a reboot/rejuvenation of endogenous testosterone. By definition the act of homeostasis is considered an act of balance but it is actually a widely volatile act.

Those that paved the way! Those folks, pioneers to the game we all love, weren't known for all the science bullshit. They ran hard they ran long and they made mistakes that we are fortunate to learn from. Trial and error is what produced the standard PCT.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

These pioneers are owed our deepest and most sincere gratitude. Without their trailblazing our work would be much harder and our gains much more fleeting. Not to mention our balls much more shrunken!

Science. Science is like the ocean. It's a constant state of evolution. It is fluid and graceful yet tragic and at times omnipresent. When it hits u in the head u can't ignore it! It's in ur face screaming for you to "Look at me fucker!" Don't ignore it! Just because it is new and unproven think of those trailblazers who thought Nolvadex and Clomid were the new light in the darkness. We are the trailblazers for Aromasin and its amazing PCT properties. Run labs, find a dose. Put ur money where ur mouth is. Live it. Breathe it. Run it!!
In my days I've been forunate to be a part in the Aromasin debate. I wanted to be the "Spark". The person who sparked a conversation about PCT. A spark in the dialogue between the old school and the new. It's happening and guess what Aromasin is winning over the vets n the noobs. Dosages for Aromasin is like the rest of the PCT. Its Dependent on the user's body chemistry. I recommend a daily administration due to the half life and blood plasma concentration. 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25mg are what I recommend. Tho some will argue for an eod protocol due to its suicidal type 1 AI properties. Either way whether is eod or daily these dosages are recommended by me.
Here's the original write up that sparked so many threads and protocols. The "Spark":
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin

HCG. Well I can't say I'm the expert on HCG. What I can say is I use it on cycle and that I'm using it personally for my Sperm volume and Motility focused PCT coming up 750-1000iu eod for two weeks. I don't want to get into the science of HCG strictly because this link says it all and the Poster is due the absolute respect by me not stealing his credit for posting it. Ollie here is your link to William LLewellyn's article, and readers if you haven't read it please do so now:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/hcg-in-all-it...
Running large doses like that article recommends I have to say Aromasin makes a perfect dance partner for it. It will stabilize the E2 production caused by larger doses of HCG allowing the body to reap the benefits of this medication.

In closing I want to focus a bit on 19nor cycle PCT. Not sure if anybody loves Tren like me, not sure if anybody believes there is a more versatile compound like Deca than I. With that being said, Science is a wonderful thing:) Forced by the postings of so many unhappy and frustrated users I wanted a PCT that focused on the needs of those enamored with 19nors like myself. It's spurred some recent discoveries of studies that I posted on another thread:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/caber-study-on-seminal-...
Cabergoline/Dostinexis the key addition to the game. Stacking it with Clomid/Toremifene/Aromasin/HCG I feel there is a new(to me) Protocol for 19nor cycles. Running caber during the 19nor cycle will limit the prolactin levels in the user. Using it prolonged into PCT I believe it helps defend against what I call a prolactin rebound. Is that a real thing? Well I'm not sure. What I am certain of is I've spoken to countless members here and elsewhere that have discontinued Caber use with their end of cycle. They go into a cruise or PCT and after a week or two their mojo is nowhere to be found. Boom say hello to sexual disfunction as a direct result of Prolactin rebound. They go back on Caber after I've directed them to and they come back to me telling me how much better they are performing and how it's worked. For a maintenance dose .25mg is enough. For a prolactin issue .5mg should normally be enough. Refer to the study in the link I posted. The dosage in that study was .5mg for 6months. After six months at that dose all subjects experienced prolactin control and here's the kicker. They all experienced a rise is sperm volume and motility. Yes that right. It can be a baby maker. Is that a fact? I don't know. Does it in theory sound plausible? It sure the fuck does. So IMO it makes this a mandatory PCT med for any and all 19nor users who have hopes of fathering children in the future.

Well that's about it. My hands hurt my brain is fried and I have to be at work in a few hours. All I wanted this to be was to hopefully be another "Spark" in the dialogue. Hopefully it was.

SEXYMEXY prodigal son

Budwarrior's picture

Good information, been looking at a lot of different pct dosages and trying to get multiple opinions.

johnmarshall12's picture

You write very well for a guy with ADD! This is an excellent article and it covers much ground. As I've stated elsewhere I'm a big fan of HCG, but not on cycle. However at end of cycle it can almost replace PCT if used right with DHEA.

PCT is a painful experience for most and no one gets it perfect; especially since we are all different and taking different compounds. However, this post will be a great help to many!

Carlos Danger's picture

Damn a lot has changed since 2013. Overall not a bad write up for what we knew back then. Gotta admit I was dead on with the Aro PCT. Pretty off with the broscience of Nolva and 19nors. Win some lose some.

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JARHEAD2's picture

Introduce only 1 new compound a cycle, since this is your 1st definitely go TEST ONLY. Don’t rush things bro. You will get everything you need from a test only cycle. I recommend your first 2 cycles be test only to maximize your results with test before introducing new compounds to your receptors. Another reason to add only one is if you start having negative sides it’s very simple to know the culprit!!
As far as pct...

Trial and error is what produced the standard PCT.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Carlos Danger's picture

Bump for all the PCT fans out there.

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kentland's picture

Thank you for the info. I am about to start my first deca cycle and have everything on hand except for Caber. If anyone could PM me a good source for Caber so I can get this ball rolling I would appreciate it.

noob143's picture

Once again you are a scholar sir. Awesome read bro. I love reading your threads...they are a bath of fresh air in a room of stagnant fart odor.

WINNING's picture

Damn sexy Mexi, this is the shit I miss from you (no homo). Good fucking read brother! ! +3 Homie

xxRedneckxx's picture

I've used

100/100/50/50/50
40/40/40/40/40

If that don't bring you back idk what will lol

noob143's picture

Awesome read and link's +1 very enlightening subject matter.keep it bro.

irongame427's picture

Ive done it both ways, on cycle, and the 10 day blast. Cant say i felt much of a difference in recovery when i used it on cycle. If everything goes like it should during the blast and you nuts plump up and wake up then i don't really see the need to use it on cycle. Persoanlly i like to when using 19-nors or on longer cycles. But its really just a cosmetic thing so bitches don't ask questions about why they can fit both of my balls in there mouth.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

With a 19-nor, Deca specifically, do you recommend HCG be used throughout the cycle or blast? I've not ran HCG during any cycle and have recovered fine as most were Test only, but feel I would be best served to with Deca. Thinking about my first Deca run this winter.

rolltide3's picture

http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/pct-all-wrong
Love u to take a look at this and if u could add anything would be very interested in your perspective.your very knowledgeable on pct any insight would be appreciated

PIN_CUSHION's picture

The Prop taper was something I didn't even consider I was just going to end Deca 2 weeks before Test. So if I did a taper would I run Deca closer to the same length as Test or still end it early?

And is the caber dose during PCT the same as cycle dose?

Thanks

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Alright sounds good man, this won't be for quite some time, just want to have all bases covered. Thanks again.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

second damn time I've up voted myself, I'm getting to damn click happy I guess.

silat50's picture

Mexy this may be slightly off topic to aromasin but you sound like you have the knowlwdge to answer my question:

Recently my doc prescribed me a drug called Finasteride for my enlarged prostate.Im 54.Blood pressure is perfect at 110/78 and been off gear for about 8 weeks or more. Have had this condition for 16 yrs and nothing helped for it till this med. This medication helps but when I looked it up on wikipedia it said this is a NON STEROIDAL ANTI-ANDROGEN. So is that like taking Nolva or a SERM for 6 months after you get off your cycle as I want to stay on this at least 6 months as its helping a lot after just 1 week usage of 5mg. daily. Does anyone here know what effect finasteride has on muscle building and is there special significance for bodybuilding? It also says that finasteride effects GABA which effects mood and also MUSCLE TONE! Mood I knew about, but not muscle tone. Maybe you or one of the guys can share some thoughts.
side note: I have to take 2 Benadryl (OTC allergy meds)along with ambien to fall asleep at night and benadryl aggravates the prostate over time and boy this finasteride lets me pee a lot better after only 1 week on it. I hope to keep it up for at least 6 months, maybe permanently. I will literally sleep better. Thanx!

trickydick311's picture

i ran test/deca for 15 weeks did my pct and now im having problems.

Denser's picture

If I could give karma, you'd get +10 for this. +1 for the article as a whole, +1 for the links, and +8 for using the term 'widely volatile act'. Kudos!

MASSIVE48's picture

Sexy ass write up u sexymexy! Lol

+2 brotha. Smile

P's picture

+2 homie, nice write up.

HydeMind's picture

Nice post, very informative! +1

mikebuie's picture

thursday will be my last day of pct, i ran it at 90/60/60/30 with standard clomid dosing - first week my sex drive was just as high as on cycle and i didnt lose any strength whatsoever. about halfway thru the 2nd week and all the way up to 2 days ago, things fell the fuck off. my strength was pathetic and i felt downright shitty. i just gritted my teeth and waited it out, feelng much better.

unfortunately i didnt get bloods drawn pre-pct and not during either, so i cant prove my pct regimens (unleashed, torem, clomid, and daa) effectiveness but i will be havng them done in about 8 more weeks and posting.

as of right now the only thing im going to change from this protocol is to up the torem dose as you loosely suggested, next time to 120/90/60/30. i'll be running my first 19-nor (deca) in november so i'll be incorporatng caber into pct, but other than that im gonna keep it as is ... its been a very smooth pct all things considered and not bad at all. i only lost 4 lbs so far too, and the name of the game is keepng gains so i feel good

mikebuie's picture

im actually really glad you mentioned extending pct cause i was seriously considerng it after decidng to ride with noviceaas and vike's advice to extend my cycle itself. how would you recommend dosing the torem for 6 weeks? im thnkng 120/120/90/90/60/30 and clomid at 100/100/100/50/50/50. you brothers will absolutley be hearin more, i know you're big on deca and im really lookng forward to it. long before i start ima post bloods so you guys can help me with that too, i love this place man!

mikebuie's picture

and the clomid? stick with 100/100/50/50 or less? ive read on other forums that clomid isnt even necessary with torem, but would much rather take whatever advice you have for me

Turbo7420's picture

I'm about to start my first cycle.. Deca/ Test E/ dianabol
I'm being cautious to start already because I want a proper PCT established and purchased before hand.
I read this post and this advice seems useful for what little I know.. The questions I have are...
What doses are recommended for PCT with Caber/ Dostinexis along with Clomid/ Toremifene/ Aromisan/ HCG? Mgs? Ed, eod, or ew?
And is there anything I should add to my cycle besides the three I listed?
Any advice given I'd be extremely grateful for since I'm really trying to do this right from the start. Thank you for your time and consideration

Turbo7420's picture

While I have been researching the dbol is supposed to be for the first four weeks of the cycle to kick start the effects since deca takes longer to take effect and last longer