posted Thu, 04/21/2016 - 10:51
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Who tells their doctor about their AAS usage? Is it a good idea? Doctor-patient privilege
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So I have a doctor's appointment coming up next week and I will be talking to the doc about testosterone levels, TRT etc and I have been debating talking to him about using gear.
From what I have researched, in most places, the doctor-patient privilege protects you from legal consequences - specifically, the doc isn't permitted to turn you over to authorities or report criminal behavior unless you are going to harm someone else.
So I was wondering:
1) does anyone know the legal specifics for doctor patient privilege in the states?
2) does anyone talk to their doctor about AAS?
Looking forward to your answers....
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I tell all my medical professionals. They can not break hppa laws. And maybe they might need to know if something is fuckin me up.
Got a new doc this year cuz of job change and ins and he just asked me if I messed with anabolic steroids...cuz I honestly look like I use. He didn't even care, but I have had others say negative shit bout using..."you should stop, or we can get you help to quit"
I'm approaching professional level competitions (powerlifting), so they just let it go cuz they know it's part of what we do. Risk vs reward later?!? Who really knows
Id,say this depends on how much you trust your doctor mine is a family friend. He's goes to my kids bay parties family functions dinners we plan as a family etc. I told him and he nothing real negative to say he was strait forward and said the hype the media makes about them are mostly untrue unless you're being totally over the top with your usage. Now he did say using adex and clomid and things of that nature is not a good idea he went into a long ass speech about their intended purpose Yada Yada but he says as far as testosterone usage he says it's no where near as dangerous ad it's made out to be. He also kept my usage out of my file so my insurance company isn't aware of what I'm doing and he writes blood test in my file under xyz reasons....
Update: The doc doesn't even lift.... Why the fuck would I ask him?
Back to Eroids for real expert advice. I will be looking for some help on 1st cycle soon. Thanks to everyone for your input.
My opinion: If you are using AAS responsibly and your blood work is good and you have no health problems you can just be quiet about your use. If you start having any health issues you should tell the doctor about your use. 99% of doctors dont understand what we do and most buy into the hype that is associated with steroids. I have gained more knowledge here on Eroids than my GP will ever have. Even my endo is a super conservative.
I did , I told him about what I used and how much , he accepted all normal until I told him what I took for pct and I felt that he is going to hit me really . And he start screaming at me who the hell told you to take these amounts . I told him this what I used to do , so finally he put his hand on his head and asked me to do more blood test .
So he was ok with the testosterone but not the PCT? What meds/ dosages do you take for PCT?
I took what we used too 40 nolvadex for 2 the 20 for next week
And clomid 100 first 2 weeks and then 50 for next week .
He give something completely different I can't write until I try it . Otherwise if my specialist wrong I got the mistake not theorists
Cool, let us know how it works
most likely going judge you for it and will give you shit. I did it , wish i didnt. It didnt help anything
I have a related question.
Doctors here take notes on their computers, do they have the obligation to tell my insurance company that im using gear so the insurance wont want me as a client anymore?
If insurance companies can relate any medical related condition to you taking illegal aas, they can and will deny coverage.
This is complete bullshit. Do you have any idea how many dumb things people do to themselves from illegal drugs, to smoking to shoving things up their ass, to eating themselves to death. If people were dropped from their insurance for stupid behavior no one would have insurance. Diagnoses are converted to digital codes -ICD's for billing purposes. Thats all the insurance companies get. Your record is private- by law unless you admit to wanting to murder someone or abuse which get reported to LE.
I agree 100% all these insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies run this dam country along side the billionaires.
I hate when they tell you something about shit they know nothing about.
There is no such thing anymore far as doctor and patient care. Dam doctors go by the book seems and not what is in the best interest of there patients anymore and it's only getting worse. I have been down that road to do the right way and didn't work so I came here and been here ever since.
I thought they could no longer deny you for pre existing conditions? Either way, if they can they will and if they can't they'll just make your premium insane.
Exactly you pay out the ass for insurance then when you use it it goes up and just keeps climbing.
Insurance should be pee each individual I think if your healthy and live a healthy life style your insurance should be cheaper than someone who is not ot is a risk or high risk.
Agreed, and thats a certain type of healthcare organization (I forget what it is called). It basically follows the tenet that you pay a monthly fee, and use the healthcare when you require, having "paid it forward" so to speak. Unfortunately in the US, our healthcare system is set up from the beginning to be funded by the subsequent generations. Each generation is technically paying the healthcare costs for the generation before them, and in turn will have their healthcare covered by the newer generation. Its hedging on the hope that each generation that follows will have a net income sufficient enough to do so, but as you know that hasn't always been the case due to generational population gaps, income difference if incomes and job prospects, economic health, etc.
Hit the nail right on the head bro.
Where I work we are tested individually for health to a high level, but they take the overall score company wide and use that as payment you pay.
Which is bullshit, I'm healthy and I make up for the ones that are not and they benefit.
Just way for company to save money.
Its how the system works, unless its completely reconfigured from the ground up there's not really a way to change it IMO, since my generation is technically on track to cover your generation- even though we are already being tapped to cover the generation before yours. To redesign the system to function in a way where each generation pays for itself, there would need to be funding available for the older ones who cannot do so currently because they ended up paying for a generation that is now passed.
I'm 25 and my premiums for insurance, at the most basic package without dental of optical end up close to 600$ per month. I pay a visit to the doctor at most once, maybe twice a year if I'm ill. The $7,200 per year id end up paying isn't for those two visits that are worth what? Maybe 300$ with insurance (I pay in cash each time, so I pay less than half of that). That $7,200 is to cover the old folk who spend that much on healthcare in a few months. The same methodology is true for your company.
That makes sense for sure, but I don't ever see it being 're done in my life time. So true.
I don't see it being redone in my lifetime either... It would require competence on behalf of government, and an understanding of healthcare ecomomics by the masses... And since that is still taught as an elective as opposed to a core curriculum in school, im not sure if it'll ever be done properly.
I'm afraid you are probably correct bro..
There not going to take money out of there deep pockets to help I promise you that.
That is why this world is going to shit in a hand bag for sure. Greedy people and just want more and more and the blue collar worker just keeps working his and her ass off and pays the bill.
We could drive into the whole class structure since it relates to this topic, but I feel that would detract from the original post. The middle class, both blue and white collar has long supported the brunt of healthcare costs... And economically speaking we are supposed to see the middle class grow as the system prospers. We've seen the exact opposite, with the top of our class system prosper, corporations prosper, and the middle class get decimated. The lower class has lost a large aspect of their mobility, and the upper class further distances away from them.both while also removing mobility to their tier as well. Greed is an inherent human trait, but our capitalist system has controls in place to prevent exactly that, too much wealth allocation towards one class. With the retiring middle class being larger than the existing one, and without that wealth being distributed to the middle class (even with the shrinkage) there is more and more burden placed on a lesser and lesser group of people to provide for those people.
Its like a pizza party at an old folks home so to speak, if I have 8 slices for 8 people, everyone is ok and.gets a slice. But if I only have 4 slices, and then 2, it becomes unfeasible to properly feed everyone without someone obtaining.more pizza.
Pre-existing conditions can be a grey area. If it's from illegal drugs (including aas) they can fight to deny. My main point was that if you submit a claim for something and they can relate it to your aas use, that's when they usually can and will deny the claim. It's all about them finding ways to get out of paying. You should never give them one.
I would disagree. I dont think they will decline any health care cost associated with AAS use. If you have health insurance and you go to an ER for a drug overdose or a DUI crash (both situations you have broken the law), you will be treated and the bills will be paid. The only issue you may run into is if your file is documented and you let the health insurance lapse, you may have a hard time finding new coverage or you may pay more. My opinion is it is rare that insurance companies would look into your personal medical records due to HEPA laws. I know in my state I have to give the doctor permission to share my info with my wife.
Agree or not, it happens. I'm not talking going to the ER either. Insurance companies do deny claims every day due to this. If your condition can be related to your illegal drug use they can deny your claim. I've worked in the industry and have seen it happen. Insurance companies pay your claims and look at ALL of your medical records. When you sign up for insurance, you give them permission to your records.
Agreed. If you have any reference to AAS on your records, what wouldn't be linked to the usage? I'm sure they'd figure anything and everything would somehow stem from it, so you'd end up being fucked either way. I made the mistake of letting the doctor know I smoked 4 years ago one appointment, one single appointment.... To this day every single time I have a visit they bring it up, asking whether I was still off, whether I relapsed, etc.
It doesn't matter that I'm healthy, that my blood work is fine. Nope, I touched the cancer sticks and now it's a scarlet letter on my record.
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I never even told the doc when I had gyno surgery...didn't matter, and he didn't ask.
Also depends on where you are. Here in the uk it's not an issue.
So I had to tell my NHS GP. I had gone for a routine blood test while on a cycle. It threw up high potassium levels which appeared to be getting worse with subsequent testing. They declared a medical emergency and we're going to admit me. So I told him. Wow did I get seriously judged and it's on my NHS medical record now. So if I need future life and/or medical cover and the insurer requests a report where they as a specific enough question I could have a problem. The worst of it was there was nothing wrong with me. It was a lab error with the storage and/or handling of my blood by the clinic who drew my blood. The repeat tests in hospital showed I was all normal. Better be safe than sorry though but it is on my medical record now and I have a GP who is not happy and does treat me differently to how he treated me before.
Fella what you tell an NHS GP is legally in confidence. He / she is using a scare tactic, nothing more. Change GP's
You're correct to a certain extent and suppose to be that way, but we all know what happens behind closed doors as well.
Very true. My old GP used to ask for me training tips / diet advice etc and trains in my gym lol.
Yep those are the good one's they are far and few in between now for sure.
My doctor when I was a kid really cared about us and his patients, now it a just to far out if control in all aspects of life.
Man how times has changed in the last 25 years and not for the good either bro.
NHS is utterly broken here mate. There was a time I considered becoming a medic. I'm glad I choose to work in research science instead. Must be incredibly frustrating to work for the NHS.
The whole medical system here in the UK is broken imho! Take the cost of private blood test never mind the relative difficulty in getting them. So much price collusion and seeing takes place. It's the man in the street that suffers. Ok rant over :-).
I hear that I can't even begin to imagine bro. I got to where I do t even watch the news channel here anymore, shit just depresses me and pisses me off.
Under HIPPA your medical records can be accessed if you are ever being sued to check for mental status. If regular people see you are on gear "oh my god, he has roid rage. He's unstable. etc" It's very easy for attorneys to get it too. So if you ever get married and you get divorced you can bet your ass they will have those documents. Under law I think the doctor must wait a minumum of 4 (?) years before documents can be shredded.
I work in Healthcare. Most medical records are electronic now, no need to shred them. They hold on to that shit forever now.
Kilo101To answer you questions yes i been told my doctor. The doctors job is to help you how can they do that if they dont even no whats going on with your body. also its against the law for the doctor to give out your info where im from maybe its differnt other places. My doctor no everything I take and im happen that I told her cause when I go for my check up she runs extra test that she wouldnt run for someone that was not taking AAS. Thats how she found I fucked my liver up taking to many orals for to long.
Unless you are under the care of a really cool Dr, you are better off not saying a thing unless it is absolutely necessary.
This is absolutely right. Not to mention in med school you breeze through all these hormonal pathways in a couple of weeks max. A regular GP doesn't know anything about AAS unless they happen to look at studies and educate themselves
I agree, if you don't say anything then it can't be used against you.
I was in same boat with my long family doctor and thought he was cool to. My test level came back like 275. He says you're with in range. Said range is 250 to 800. Needless to say I told him to go jump in a lake and now I have been here ever since.
So do you self administer TRT then?
Since I couldn't get no help from my family doctor then yes. I go a little further than that but have been doing this for years bro. I have learned more here from other member's as well. A friend of mine at work had his test checked came back at 207 which was low so they said he has to be tested a total of 3 times before they would make decision. Last test came back like 280 and they said that is in range so he is screwed as well. Shit is a joke bro.
Those ranges are a complete joke because they don't take account of the age or health of the person when the range was established. 250 might be "normal" for an 80 year old diabetic but it's not normal for a much younger man!
Damn, that sucks. There are men's clinics here that seem like they will treat anyone under 500. 280 might be normal for a 70y/o diabetic but if you are younger, I'm sure you would feel like shit.
Yep you're correct. He is 27 years old. Looks like shit and estrogen is through the roof has all the signs of that. Moody as hell also, I want to whoop his ass some days. It really is a joke here. Like I said there by the book and not for the patients well being.
Total bullshit. Seems like the medical industry is more concerned with treating perpetually sick people rather than keeping them young and healthy. Test levels that low put you at risk for type two diabetes, cardiac problems and who knows what else. I just don't get it...
Yep