+ 63 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth
We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.
Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...
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I've been wanting to use Tren Hex but have no experience with it. How many milligrams should I inject per week? I've used Tren Ace and loved it. I would inject Tren Ace 100mgs every other day. Should I just stick with Tren Ace or switch? In what ways is Tren Hex better if it is?
Tren hex is commonly referred to as parabolan. The easiest way to think of parabolan as being a longer esther version of tren ace, but a slightly shorter esther version of tren e. All 3 versions carry the same anabolic/androgenic rating - 500/500. To decide how much, just look at how much tren ace in milligrams you pinned before over the period of a week. Example: 50mg of tren ace per day is 350mg per week. You would want to stick with this (unless you are wanting to up your dosage) with tren e or parabolan. What changes is the amount of times you need to pin in a given week. Parabolan is usually 2-3 times per week and tren e is usually 1-2 times per week. Depending on which you choose, you adjust the amount of each injection to give you the same amount of weekly milligrams. Example: If you want 300mgs a week of tren and are injecting Parabolan 100, you would inject 1ml 3 times a week as that would be 100mg per ml for a weekly total of 300mgs.
Each version has a slightly different side effect profile based wholly on the dosage and overall blood serum levels. But, generally speaking, the side effects are the same across the board. Hope this helps.
Thanks brother. Helped me out a lot.
Most welcome. That's what we are here for...to help each other any way we can.
Wow this is very interesting. Based on this, would you make the case that LOW dose tren is suitable for beginners as a FIRST cycle? I know everyone preaches test only, test only. Hell, I'm currently running my first cycle and guess what I'm running? Test only.
But, if you negated the side effects of a tren only cycle (such as Erectile Dysfunction) by stacking with test, would the beginner be better off? I would imagine you would gain less body fat with tren even if the gains were the same, resulting in a better overall cycle.
If a beginner could endure the pip of Tren Ace + Test Prop as compared to Tren E + Test E, I imagine this would be very good since we can reduce the duration of HPTA Shutdown therefore increasing recovery chances and recovery duration (which minimizes the gains lost during pct).
The only problem I can imagine from this would be that a beginner should assess how their body reacts to testosterone before introducing an exogenous compound like tren. Maybe Test E for 6 weeks to gauge reaction and let it kick in, then stack with Tren Ace for 4-6 week?
What do you guys think?
anabolic/androgenic ratios dont translate into real life as accurately in terms of results as youd think. tried and true first hand experiences from those whom have experimented before you are much better guides vs what it says on paper.
now, having said that... NO. no amount of tren is suitable for a beginner, imo. as MANY would agree. it is by far, again just my opinion, the most volitale hormone out there and can creep up and bite you in the ass if you arent prepared or dont know what youre doing. theres a reason why most advocate tren for experienced AAS users only. its not the PIP you have to worry about, hell pip would be the last of your worries.
what you should be worried about if you attempt what you are proposing is being able to handle the psychological changes. shift in personality, can you keep a level head with supra-physiological levels of androgens? some loose their head even off milder stuff than tren. could you deal with the possibility of becoming extremely emotional and breaking down crying or getting extremely angry for no reason at all. would you be able to control yourself and not destroy relationships with loved ones/friends? would you be able to handle libido issues if they arise and know how to combat them? (dopamine agonists to control prolactin) could you handle the constant sweating if youre predisposed? could you handle the insomnia? could you deal with feeling edgy and "off" for weeks on end and keep a sane level head through it all?
as you can see there is a plethora of factors that come into play when playing with trenbolone. its not for everyone and can really take some for a ride. this is why we recommend starting with test and slowly, over time, introducing different compounds. 19-nors being the last because of their problematic nature.
as well as if one is a beginner, dont short yourself by using the strongest stuff out there from the getgo. milk what you can from test and milder compounds so then your body can really reap the benefits of the more powerful hormones.
and as i have said before in my posts regarding tren.... tren conditions your muscle!!!!!!! it is, imo, a poor tissue builder. it conditions your muscle! if you are a beginner in AAS then you dont have much "un-natural" muscle to condition in the first place! use things like test to build up some good tissue before you hop on the tren train or else thats like putting 110 octane race fuel in a factory-stock car before any performance mods have been done to it. you have to build up your physique first so then you can utilize the effects drugs like tren can do.
If I had the karma to vote, I would definitely vote this post up. Good job!
lots of good points to consider there.
Thanks for the reply, I wasn't thinking of using Tren yet, was just curious.
I appreciate the advice
no problem, i, along with most guys here, dont recommend stacking compounds on a first cycle, least of all tren. as you stated, one should see how they react to test only first. reason being, one can pinpoint side effects and know what compound is causing them should they arise.
Just some info I want to though out. I know the topic of tren and liver and kidney toxicity are hotly debated topics, so I of of course you can find supporters for both sides. Well I love tren so when I look for info I tend to be biased and accept the info that support tren not being toxic. Anyway, today is the day my bubble got burst. I went in for my annual physical and labs ( I am on TRT) I had been on my trt dose of test plus I just finished a Tren E cycle @ 300mg wk.and Mast P 300mg wk I went to the gym after the doc visit and on my last set of dumbbell rows I got a call from my doc. Not sure which one fucked up my t-levels, but one did+1500 maxed out, but I have elevated liver enzymes and increased kidney function.I just wanted to though this out there for anyone who might be concerned. I will post labs when I get them. So when it comes down to it, be safe and stay educated, because we are talking about TREN here. On a side note, running the tren higher than test is the way to go. ZERO problems with libido, and almost no night sweats. Still had to really watch the aggression tho.
Testrogen_PropC...I'm with you brother. Every time I run tren my left kidney aches on and off during the end of the cycle. Which is why (as well as the mental sides) I won't run tren past 8 weeks anymore. I still fucking love tren tho, brings out my inner beast 10 fold
The crazy part is I felt great up until the doc told me about the kidney stress, now I have an ache, lol talking about a mental fuck.
I'll start my first cycle beetwen 7/10 days of tren ( 1ml-10mg + 250 mg of sustanon ) for the first 2 weeks.... The next 4 weeks 2ml of tren + 500mg of sustanon and 10mg of oral dbol..... The Last 2 weeks of the first 2..... Along all the cycle 25 mg of proviron and 1day on / 1 day off 10 mg of nolvadex...what do you thing about ?
obviously i have a thing for tren...but has anyone run tri tren.. or just taken all three esters at once. am I just a tren feen? with that being said you got to respect tren as many people say, it's a whole different monster. currently taking hex with drol and man my patience is next to nothing.
my advice to be smart and realize you are on a drug known to cause aggression. no, you're not going to feel like superman all the time and you don't get a high from this drug like its an amphetamine but you will most likely come across a time where you realize during your cycle you're being a complete dick to everyone for no reason. or traffic bothers you worse than normal.. or maybe you even feel like snapping your girlfriends neck for talking to you the wrong way. BUT you have to catch yourself, laugh it off, and save that shit for the gym. be responsible
Hi guys I have a question about tren. I was planning to run it at a low dose for my cutting cycle next year, however I will not do so after reading this forum. I will stick with winstrol, anavar or primo to cut down.
But i am still curios about tren. If you look this site, the source reviews part, everyone buys tren, everyone reports awesomess from tren, tren is found on nearly any mixed compound on this site sources and everybody loves tren.
But in the forums, people (the experienced ones) seem to hate it. At least for people that are not at least pro bodybuilders.
Why is this?
When not competing, I like to run cycles that actually make me feel good. Tren is therefore taken out of the equation. To many people falling for the hype that tren is some kind of wonder drug that is going to give them the body they always wanted. I say it time and time again, it is not the compounds you run but your diet and training. To many people blindly using tren for the wrong reasons. At the competition level it can be a real game changer but I think that alot of people running it would see the exact same results running a different compound and not have to deal with the side effects it produces also. Way overrated compounds for most gym goers in my opinion. Hell, I grabbed 2 first place trophies and an overall win and I wasn't even running any tren.
Good points. I tried Tren - all it did was give me a foul, aggressive attitude and make me not a nice person to be around. Would never run it again..
r00t3dvery interesting post, thanks for sharing this information would be nice if you cited sources though.
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I have been running gear for over a decade and been rather liberal with it too.....not advising this, just sharing....
Ive been upto 250mg tren ace ED for 4 weeks....the golden nectar of the gods!!! I HB'd a batch once and it was jet fuel!
A strange experience, I felt amazing and awful at the same time....
Physique was changing daily, had a constant pump all day, destroyed my log book in the gym.
BUUUUTTTTT the amount of weed I had to smoke to stop me from climbing the walls was ridiculous. I couldn't sit and relax without 'help'.....I would fidgit, squirm, sweat, sleep 4 hours and be wide awake, I became snappy....the sides were brutal....I would eat and within 90mins get painful hunger pangs.
best thing I have ever done physique and performance wise (I train Strongman)....but the sides became intolerable pretty fast....so not worth it @ that dose.
moojWow 250mg a day??! Respect man, most I run is 100mg ED and even at that after about 3 weeks I have to drop down to 600/500mg a week as I feel so lethargic and run down. That must have cost some serious coin then, I bet it made you feel permanently raged too Lol
aasmanThis is my issue with tren. Let me be straight with all of you. I was a big proponent of tren until my last cycle. I don't know whether I got some very strong tren or maybe I just got real trenbolone for the first time. I can't say for sure. But the sides suck and are not worth the gains you make on it. I got big and ripped on it but I always felt like dogshit. What is the point of being big and ripped if you feel like shit all the time? Also even though I was on a concurrent dose of test (maybe not enough - 500mg) but my dick stopped working. And forget that shit. There's no steroid worth a limp dick. Its like a Ferrari with a Yugo engine. You look great but you can't fuck. Some of you guys who are not in relationships may not care but if you have a gf who expects sex regularly and you can't give it to her, you're really fucked. Your relationship is doomed. Now testosterone gives me gains as good as tren. As long as I keep the estradiol in check I don't get bloated and look ripped and big on test alone. Im on a cycle of 750mg of test per week, 15mg of superdrol per day, and 4iu of hGH per day and I look and feel better than I bet 90% of the guys on here or in the general population. And on test my dick is hard if the wind blows. So Im happy, my gf is happy and society is better off because there's on less dickhead aggressive juicehead running around wanting to rip everyone's head off just because they look at me weird. That's just my 2c. There's a reason why it was only approved for livestock. Because who cares about their quality of life. They live to be slaughtered. It sucks but we need meet. All you animal rights wack jobs can kiss my ass...I don't give a shit about the quality of life of an animal that is domesticated to be eaten. Obviously I don't want them mistreated without cause but who really cares if a bull is pissed off and sweats a lot at night LOL...
Great info, I've always been one to question the massive doses others suggest. That goes for anything, but with an emphasis on Tren. I have run fina back when you could still get the cartridges for cheap, and i remember the effect of as little as 80 mg w/ DMSO eod, it was insane how hard and vascular it made me. It was the same when I ran Tren E at low dose of 250 mg a week. It was amazing. That is why I could care less when anyone would scrutinize the amount or suggest that I am wasting my gear at those doses, so thanks again for putting this info out there.
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I am currently running my 1st cycle of Tren A, My source is very well respected on here but I have some questions about my sides. Basicly...I have none...I'm 3 weeks in running 50mg Tren A and 50mg Mast P ED (I started the first 2 week EOD to ease in and play it safe) along with 250mg Test C split twice a week. (same as my TRT dose) I have not noticed any extra acne, no cough after 21 injections, no rage, sweats or dick issues (I am taking caber .5 twice a week) Only thing that seems to be an issue is over the past week I wake up at 5am, 2 hours earlier then normal. this also is 12 hours post injection. Ive read some don't get bad sides and also it could take 3 to 4 weeks for things to really start kicking in. Any comments from those with experience are welcome. Thanks fellas!
aasmanYou may not be running real trenbolone bro. Its a real possibility. Because everyone who uses real tren gets sides like insomnia, night sweats, aggression. Have you ever injected some tren and then went into a coughing fit? If not you're probably not using real trenbolone. It doesn't happen everytime but it happens enough to be a regular side that you get with tren. If you've been on for 3 weeks that's probably like what 10 injections of tren? Enough to have experienced this unpleasant side at least once.
That's such BS and people need to stop with the "sides" being a necessity as to wether tren is legit or fake.
If I was to brew tren I'd just make something that gave people insomnia, night sweats, and irritated the hell out of them and I swear people would be on these boards touting it as the greatest tren they've ever had all the while it was just some safflower oil and some fucking cleaning liquid.
aasmanYeah but what are you going to put in this magic oil bro? No ones going to be talking anything about your cleaning solution except how it almost killed them. First of all tren puts on hella muscle. That is not a side but if you're putting on muscle and sweating like a pig and aggressive as hell you've probably got trenbolone. The sides along with the intended effect are a sure way to tell if your tren is legit. Its the only gear that ever gave me true roid rage. I used to think that shit was a myth but I could tell I was running on a very short fuse when I was on it which is why I don't fuck with it anymore.
I'm on week 6 of 400 mg tren e and 150 mg test e. I've no sides at all really. I did seem to notice it kill my endurance in the first week or 2 which is strange as i'm on tren e and it wouldn't have built yet but there you go, just what I noticed. No night sweats either, I do have crazy dreams but I'm on 8 iu hgh eod as well..
I don't run caber, just 6mg aromasin eod and some b6
MagnistrengthThanks for the thread man i actually read the whole thing too lol. I'm thinking about trying out Tren in my next cycle
cellblockTren acetate is the strongest steroid there is period. There nothing stronger. I get mine from iFit and his shit is strong as hell. You don't cough that bad except once in awhile if you inject too close to a vein. Keep it in your ass and you should not get tren cough. Ive been using it for a couple of months every day and have coughed like twice. But veins strength size cuts are crazy. It really fucked up my dick for awhile but I just got some cabergoline so Im good now with prolactin. You need to be careful running tren alone. I would never do it. I once got some bunk test and the tren was real and I couldn't fuck my gf for shit. But add in the test and my dick is happy. I think the dostinex is really helping me already....
Can't mention sources.
georgvery good info, started using tren acetate but it gave me so massive cough after injectionso didnt know what to do, red in the web that many people experiencing this cough.
lincolnttHey yo, how did you get -9 and not be banned? LMAO...
soreasscheeksRead a lot of info, always looking up shit, big dawg that was informative. Got a bottle of tren 300 and was kinda iffy bout it. The sweats, agg, pain, cough. But now I read that and I might add that to my cycle. Good info....
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What about running t3 with tren?
That's it please don't. listen I get it have done plenty of research and there is so many different views on it I was on cycle last summer and purchased a bottle along with test e and prop but never used the tren ready to get back in gym and wanted to see if I could run this one bottle tren e. I need to get more test but wife holds money tight and have not set up bitcoin yet last year when I did blood I was 230 nl on my test levels and for a 37yr old that's low to me tried boosters, they suck just complicated and dangerous to get what I need nowadays and doctor is like not helping but I get the feeling your right hope something changes soon miss pumping anyway this is way too long of comment sorry know this is not for pm's
How low do you think your test levels will be running tren with NO test??? You should ALWAYS run test as a Base for any cycle and from the sounds of it you should stick to test only cycles until you know how your body reacts and what your bloodwork says before mid and post cycle. I getting to know your Ai dose
How low do you think your test levels will be running tren with NO test??? You should ALWAYS run test as a Base for any cycle and from the sounds of it you should stick to test only cycles until you know how your body reacts and what your bloodwork says before mid and post cycle. I getting to know your Ai dose
I've sent you an fr mate
Can you run tren alone safely in low doses and get beneficial results
Please dont
Since the Parabolan is long gone, what would be the best alternative these days? Im also not a big fan of running more than 100mg of Tren/wk, especially if combined with Test and/or other AS.
dropdzzTren is wonderful!I shed a lot of fat taking 200 mg of test cyp and one hundred mg of tren enanthate twice a week.The only bad side I experienced was mad jealousy and depression.I replaced the tren with anavar and jealousy and depression subsided.
Worst side I've experienced with tren is the breathlessness, walking around constantly out of breath, I simply take a few aspirin to help thin my blood back down to aid in carrying the oxygen around my body helps in a big way, for me anyway.
Too many things can cause this. Sleep apnea, COPD, cardiac issues, etc. I keep an oximeter around to test my O2 saturation, you should either buy a cheap one online (around $20) or go to the doctor. When you cycle it's best to be careful, but not paranoid to bring everything to the doctor. I get bloods quarterly, have a BP monitor, HDL and cholesterol checker, glucose tester, and oximeter. I trend it all out over time to make sure there isn't anything unusual, and log it against my cycle so I can see what does what to me.
dropdzzIf an asperin is helping you catch your breath,you may want to get your heart looked at.
Great read. Very eye opening about tren.