posted Fri, 02/27/2015 - 20:16
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+ 21 from TRT to natty again?
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I would like to hear from guys that successfully brought themselves back from TRT or continuous years of cycling to natty again.
Anybody on here done it? and what was your PCT protocol?
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pretty much the same, sex drive is every 3-4 days, other then that I feel perfectly normal.
Do you plan on taking anything for sex drive or no would defeat the while point just curious noid
For right now no, my sex drive is matched perfectly with my wife's right now so its fine. I would like to see it come back a little more but im not too worried right now. really the biggest concern I had was feeling OK and I still feel great so im good.
Thanks for response noid that's what made feel worried for a while to not a trt but was on for a long time felt down depressed guess u could say not to mention sex drive was low I'm young so I guess my mental or ego got me down more bcuz I was not in the mood at all its better now but I know its how I ran pct plus sleep etc that made it better slightly at least I didn't have that moody death feeling wife called it the man time of the month lol
Good to hear. Now all that's needed is blood confirmation down the road to make sure everything is running like it should.
This might be common sense question but lets say if it was 8months later u feel okay no issue should you double up on test I mean bcuz you recovering is gonna take time plus eating the right foods would also impact your test levels etc and well being
Honestly as cheap as blood work is in the states roughly sixty bucks it's not a bad idea for someone to get bloods once or twice a year. If I remember right though your not from the USA. So blood work may be a lot bigger deal than most here. If there a doubt brother go get checked out. We only get one life and we are all striving to stay healthy for as long as possible. I really didn't get what u was asking but mega will help out a bunch if u reword whAt your asking
Thanks rollitide I already send fr to him didn't want to flood noid post with my questions and I will definitely reword it
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You cannot expect much better than that, good to hear bro.
Alright boys, about 4 days ago I was able to bust, then again yesterday. I dropped the clomid and nolva altogether now, so im running nothing right now. I feel great, this was the easiest recovery ever, other than low sex drive it couldnt have went any better. I expect sex drive to take some time to recover if its going to, I was on straight for 4 years, atleast 3 of those years had tren and deca in them, at one point I had ran tren of various sorts for about 8 months straight.
Pretty fucking cool to not have to run TRT after the abuse I did.
Wow^^^ congrats I'm truly amazed how resilient our bodies can be and u plan on blood work soon ?
yeah in a few weeks, after im off everything for a while, just a female hormone panel probably. Take a look at those numbers and from there decide on trying Hcg, clomid nolva for a round two or just leave it as is. I would just run the PCT again now but I want a base number first, then after I run it wait another month and a half and blood test a second time to see if it improves my numbers.
I'd say that's a smart course of action keep us updated
this thread may be worth a stickie, im sure a few guys would like to read through it in the future and follow something close to my protocol.
It definitely is.
update on sex drive, yesterday i tried to get the wife just to see if it would work and no bueno, couldnt feel shit, couldnt get hard, I mean I got no desire for it at all. Which is crazy considering I feel fine.
That's okay, we all expected this. So now you are at the bottom. You could take a partial dose of viagra ED or just ride it out for a bit. I am guessing minimum 2 weeks, but it could be +/- that. It is really impossible to say for sure in your situation, you are breaking new ground brother.
Exactly Pale. Noid you've reached the no fun zone which is what I meant when I said PCT is no fun. Now you have to ride it out. Bottom line is stay the course if after 3 wks we're not seeing any movement then it would be a good time to take a peak at some blood. Min. LH ,FSH, SHBG,E2 ,FreeTest ,Serum Test,Prolactin.
Your still 100 Clomid 40 nolva ED and Adex?
Dropped to 50 and 20 yesterday. Just pulled up a private MD labs female panel I paid for in 2013 and never used.
Give it a shot but I think they are only good for 6 months. Make sure to call the Lab your going to use before your drive that distance.
Copied this off their web site: How long do I have to take my tests?
Requisitions are valid for 6 months from the date of purchase.
Have you ever seen that Seinfeld episode where George gives up sex and becomes a genius?
You'll see genius noid pop up pretty soon.
Lmao well I never turned into a genius during pct when I had no sex drive during pct :(
It works for most people but come on bro even that theory has its limitations.
Sorry it took me so long to reply short bus picked me up the other day and I got lost.I even lost my tinfoil hat ugh
Any new updates?
sex drive has left the room, other then that I feel great. no depression, no stuffing my face, no sleeping in. My body is producing enough to keep me from feeling like total shit so i can live with this for some time, maybe it takes 6 months I dont know, but thats fine with me if it means i dont got to pin for the rest of my life. My wife dont care much for sex anyways so its no big deal, plus im great at speed bagging the clit.
I dropped back down to 100/40 clomid/nolva yesterday. Right now the plan is to let this roll for a while and then get bloods. after that ill likely hit the Hcg again and another month of nolva/clomid, then take bloods again to see if its improving. after that I can make a decision on whether to keep moving forward or drop back into TRT
Sounds like u are doin better than I imagined. I thought u would be goin thru Hell at this point. Do u have any ed medicine. I know sometimes it can get into your head during pct. Has your performance in the gym been affected?
I haven't been to the gym, I put it away for now. But I've been working, and I feel fine.
More power to you brother. Most of us are so addicted to this lifestyle we can hardly fathom "not going".
So you would go back on trt if your numbers come back low even if you're feeling good?
Thats really a good question, Something I need to think about
I was able to bust a nutt yesterday, I still feel fine. last TRT shot was 24 days ago, I was expecting a very bad experience, but honestly I cant tell any difference in how I feel from TRT to know except that my balls are not the same. I dont have the sex drive I had before TRT and cycling, dont really feel like sex now but once we get into the sex mode it just works, kinda strange. Ill probably go in for a blood test in another month and make a decision to start Hcg again or not. If I where to guess right now i would say my test levels are around 350-450
Cool bro, that's a good sign that you can still bust a nut. I would bet this is as bad as it's going to get. For me I get about 1-2 weeks of really just not giving a shit about sex. I can get the boners and bust a nut but they are weak. You'll see that test bounce. Also I will notice that my total test comes back pretty fast, it's the free test that usually takes 3+ months to totally recover. I think that's where guys kill themselves, they get the total test recover but don't give enough time for the free and never get that full recovery.
How are your workouts?
I have to agree with Pale you would be suprised. When you do get a blood test make sure it not only includes the hormone panel for females but also get prolactin tested as it is know to affect sex drive not only if high but also if low.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/mens-sexual-problems-linked-breast-milk-horm...
http://www.livescience.com/41322-low-prolactin-men-sexual-impairment.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376090/
They could be bro but I bet you if you got bloods right now you would be surprised. Just keep on trucking along tho, you are doing great.
anybody know how long Hcg lasts after last shot? still got sense of well being and im wondering when it typically goes away.
Half- life of hCG you inj. is 24hrs so in 4-5days it's about gone.
Ya but won't it build up in your system? If u take it for a month straight? Kinda like steroids every article I'm reading says one shot of 10,000 iu Takes ten to 14 days and they say roughly 1,000 iu a day so ten days? I'm curious to this as well
Yes it does but at the end of 7days it about double. He was doing 1000 iu a day. So on his last shot it was 1000,500,250,125,62.5,31,15. That is the break down.Right at 2000 iu. Now it would be day 1. 2000, 2. 1000 3. 500 4.250 5. 125 day 6 62.5 after 5 days it's not enough to make a difference.
K gotcha. Thanks for been a pro lol even thou u ain't got that tag yet
Ok so today is my 3rd day without a shot, I still feel fine right now, and I did bust a nutt today again but I can really tell a big difference in my balls. I expect its gonna get really shitty really soon
It's like you did 500iu. That's what is still cruising around. That's why I said by day 4-5 you will know. But remember the hcg was just to see if the BOYs were in working order, You're still doing clomid at 100 ED and nolva at 40mg a day correct. That's what is going to take over for the HCG. We need a response from GnRH so that it can signal LH. If T levels are to high it's not going to happen until they fall. Still taking .5 adex e3d? Now comes phase 2 and we are running blind.( No blood work)
still running clomid 100, nolva 40 and dex at .5/EOD....
So this is what the clomid and nolva are going to do. In simple terms it is going to block the estrogen receptor (remember one of the negative feedbacks is high estrogen the other is high testosterone levels)The brain then thinks that estrogen levels are very low so it releases GnRH hormone which goes to the pituitary gland and stimulates increased release of LH.More LH means that the Leydig cells in your nuts make more testosterone. We want to get that LH signaling working again as it has been dormant for a long time and that is what the second phase is all about.
This morning i bumped my clomid dose up to 150, I figure right now is when it all should start to go into play with the Hcg residing. Ill probably keep it like that for a week and come back down to 100. Still feel fine, was out playing with the kids today, as long as it dont put me on the couch crying over commercials I can handle it!
I usually kick my clomid dose off that high for the first couple of weeks.
Nice job Noid. You got this brotha!