posted Tue, 05/13/2014 - 04:34
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heart pain from tren-e
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anybody else get this? I only get it from tren-e. it doesnt really hurt, kinda feels like someone is pinching me lightly, but its annoying as hell when it goes on for hours and on high doses its lasted days. im on something like week 9 right now at 300mg/w and it just showed up last 3 days.
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Is it heart burn or indigestion?
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I saw that. I'm telling your mom.
My mom is the one that got me started! LOL...and still does it long after i quit! If you go looking for my momma make sure you bring some friends with you that you dont care much about. she runs with a not so friendly crowd! :))
How ya feelin now.
feel fine, showed up last night for about 15 minutes and has been gone. morning weight was 230, well see if dex pulls some water off me.
Shouldn't take long at all if you really attack the shit out of it. The adex is a helpful piece, but the water will be paramount. Pound water till you're pissing every 10 minutes. Seriously. Keep it up for a few hours like that and your body naturally sheds water from anywhere its being held. After the symptoms subside its just maintenance from there on. Keep water intake at a steady level and everything should be cool. I've had this problem on Npp. Heart pinch, sucking air like a vacuum after walking up 15 stairs, heart rate elevated after minimal activity. At first I thought well I'm 253 lbs and need to do more cardio. Then I remembered nandrolone is known to cause cardiomegaly (enlarged heart) specifically because of the fact that it can cause water retention in the pericardial sack. Which essentially "works out" the heart, causing it to grow. So through the powers of deductive reasoning, lol, I was convinced that it was pericardial effusion. So I pounded water like I was trying to drown myself, upped fish oil to 12g a day. Yes 12 grams. And monitored my bp every hour. After about 5 hours bp was normal, breathing was easy, chest pain gone. And it hasn't come back since. Be aggressive with it like that at the start, then just pay attention to water intake, and it should stay away.
And as far as ace vs enenthate and ace not causing this issue, I'd assume its just like test e vs prop. Test is test and tren is tren, but an ester is also an ester. Its not the drug causing the issue (different story with nandrolone) its the ester. Longer ester, more water retention.
Thank you great advice. Good to hear someone had it and found a solution. I'm on it
Any time brother.
BOOOOM!........ Cant remember how many times i have written that same comment over the years bro............ +3 :))
Ha thanks brotha
speaking the truth!
You're doing the forum a world of good bro..... stick around we need guys like you onboard :))
Woah
That's huge coming from you bro thank you.
Solid info man! Thanks for posting this. +1
Thanks brotha!
That's terrifying. Doctor now. I don't mess around with any heart issue
I would get at a minimum and EKG and an echo done. The difficulty with something like Tren, obviously is that the cardiologist is not a veterinarian, so full disclosure may make you feel better; it is not necessarily, however, of any great use to the doctor. Of course, try the suggestions below to see if it improves, if it doesn't then, of course, stop - but I would still get the EKG and some imaging done. My concern here is that there may be an underlying condition that is somehow getting expressed by the Tren use - that's what you need to rule out.
last cycle I was having worse problems due to a higher dose and I started getting worried, went in for EKG and they found nothing. I also gave blood as i was running EQ along side of it and that did nothing.
I find it rather strange that it seems to happen at the latter end of the cycles, ive wondered if it is heightening a preexisting condition as well. However tren-a doesnt bother me at all and i dont know what the difference could be with in the ester that would affect me with tren-e and not tren-a
im going with water intake, vit-c and adex at .50/E3D and see how it goes.
AnonWhat's your bodyfat at? Higher than usual? I have very limited experience with tren but when I had a higher BF % I got the heart ache and an insanely fast resting heart rate dropped tren E at only 4-5 weeks in aborted the cycle. When I was about 10% I ran ace and while I had some sides and a slightly increased heart rate it I had none of the heart ache, also the sides overall were much less severe & tolerable.
I don't know if it was the ester causing sides or my bodyfat but I'd say probably the bodyfat.... then again who the fk knows tren is a mystery to us all even still just an idea
Hope what you're doing takes care of it
well thats saying little, I dont get it from tren-a either. BF% stays pretty consistent at 16% and could be part of the problem as ive never ran tren-e at a lower BF%.
AnonJust trying to speak as I would if you weren't a long time vet & bringing up something simple that might have been overlooked. I thought 16% looked high guess not. I know vike had a run recently w/ hex that was hell for him & he mentioned not being as lean as usual is why I thought of it
depends on your goals. I am covered in gang tattoo's and cant take my shirt off in public without being looked at like some crazy, or running into another crazy that wants a problem, so BF% is not much concern for me.
feel your pain brother
just curious, if this is a recurring problem with the tren E, why not just stick to tren ace? is there a reason you dont want to dump the tren E in favor of the ace or do you get something from the tren E that you cant get with ace?
yes it does only happen with tren-e. and the math is simple, pin once a week with tren-e and everyday with tren-a. EOD gives me a good amount of sides.
I agree with you Noid, although if you ask most steroid users, you will inevitably run into anecdotal evidence that Tren A "feels" different than Tren E or Tren Hex. It's interesting though, acetate is the lightest of the three common Tren esters so per ml there is more Trenbolone in a shot of Tren A than in the other two. Maybe therein lies some subtle difference. But, in your case, you would think the effect would be the opposite, then, of what it is.
Let me just share this little gem with you. I hadn't even turned 30 yet and I got this pain in my jaw - like the whole mandible just ached. Then it would go away, then come back. I never had any dental work done - nothing - not even a filling. So, it got worse, and I finally went to the ER. Oh, they said, this is text book for a man we need to take a look at your heart. I thought u were supposed to get some kinda radiating pain down your left arm and such - Yes sir - for women The LAD artery that supplies blood to the left ventricle was 85% blocked and required an emergency angioplasty and stent. In men, jaw pain is a textbook symptom of unstable angina. Just file that one away. Hopefully you will never need to remember such a thing.
i was reading this on google last night, interesting.
Really? Where?
Thanks for sharing all of this with us. Many of us know next to nothing and your post helps shed some real light. I kind of freak out when it comes to heart issues,all of us more mature guys should TBH. I have not tried tren, I am honestly scared of it. If not fear at very least I have a well seated respect for it. I know if I ever do use it it will be TrenA and it will be very light dosage.
Hi mate im on tren e at the min as well and im also getting the same, last night was the most recent
Tren e is notorious when it comes to sides, it coverts much easier to stress hormones then say ace because of its half life. It mind fucks me like no other with ace I seem to have no issues.
Yep, I've had it as well. I don't know why Noid, but I just don't get on with tren e and can't see me ever running it again.
I had it at 400mg/wk and threw in the towel after about three weeks of it.
Hmmm...Thats strange..I would expect something like that from tren ace not enth..Seeing as its so much more mellow-ish..I wonder if its aggravating a preexisting condition?? And at only 300mg's a week?? How long was you planning on running it for?? Are you running really high test?? Because honestly..Test gives the worst sides for me personally..people like to blame the tren when in fact its the test. Whats your BP like??? Are you on any BP meds by any chance?? Honestly this is a tough one.
Test by itself does not gives me sides until I hit really high doses which i dont even do anymore. test does amply tren sides however this is my 5th time on tren-e and many of those have been on TRT dose and I had the same heart sides. my test dose is 600mg/w. BP is fine right now, im running lisinopril at 20mg/d.
Right on brother. Yeah..I'm on 40mg's a day sadly.
(Really)
What I meant was high test..I was tired brother. =) (EDIT: Damn I did it again..I meant really high test with tren..I better just stop before I make it worse lol!!) Oh..And when I wrote more mellow-ish I also meant to use the crotch rocket bike verses a big Cummins analogy. One is a fast wild ride that can be stopped pretty quick..The other may be slower to get going but it a LOT harder to get stopped. And more powerful.. If that makes sense ya know?
is it like a palpitation or like a pain?
Anonwonder what would be said if a noob wrote the same thing up in here..pretty sure it be shot down and guy told to drop the compound for ones safety and get himself checked out..but what the fuk do i know..all the best noid..that shits no good bruv!
well glad im not a noob
Correct.... but Noid is 40+ and is a big boy now with years of self-experience bro!.... there is a big difference in noid and some young fuck who doesnt even shave his chin yet but talks like he is Vince Gironda and pins more oil than texas produces lol
its called eroids street cred bro, im sure noid has enough.........
Exactly why I reacted the way I did. I don't feel compelled in any way treat noids case any differently that someone else.
Honestly it could be a bunch of things but most likely its a mild case of paracarditis brought on by holding water combined with trens negative effect on cardio. Assess your a.i. dose. Up it if need be. Cut sodium back. Up the water intake by a shit load. Should feel a fair amount of relief quite quickly if this is in fact the issue.
BOOOM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Answer right there +3.............. all i will add is to hit VitC min 1000mg 3xtimes daily until symptoms persist.......... very common when in the deep weeks of either tren E or HEX.
Thanks brotha.
sounds good brother I have been lacking on vit-c.
im not holding water at all. I have no estro issues.
Maybe not very much sub-q. But within the pericardial sack it could be a different story.
ill throw some adex at it and see how it goes. thanks!