t400 what causes such bad pip? solvents and ba? or the high mg..pain is unreal!
im neally 3 weeks in to a t400 dosed 200mg test e 150mg test c and 50mg test p...im pinning 1ml every 3 days....thinking i might have to change products because i kid you not the pip is unreal its giving me a fever every time..its killing my libido of im hardly hungry i dont sleep much maybe 4 hours a night (but feel rested) ive tried warming the oil and going in a hot shower after and it does not help at all...a fellow member mentioned buy some sterile oil...but the brand im using does not say what carrier oil it uses...after injection it takes about 12 to 18 hours for a painful lump to form and stays there for around 3 to 5 days...what causes this? ive read a few different thing,the oil been absorbed and crystals been left behind?,high solvents?i even switched to bottle incase the bottle had been contaminated
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I also bought some high mg/ml products thinking I could fit everything into one injection and not have to do two.
But I found it is by far less painful to do more shots of lower mg/ml than using more concentrated gear in fewer injects.
Rustyhookerhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/so....you-got-pip#comme...
High dosed gear expect high PIP.... why do you think us that have been around a while still try to source amps (pharma preferably) with nothing more than 250mg/ml on long esters and the lower the better with shorts.
BIG concentrations do not equate to bigger muscles... i still dont like high MG gear and ive been using for like (cough) a few weeks now.
Change brands. Some brands dont get along with me while others are fine. Must be a reaction to one of the ingredients. I recently was crippled by prop 100.....while two other brands I use im fine with.
hear it alot with the 400s , dont know why , i use the 600 and its smoother than most 250s
AnonIt's the high MG. After 250mg even test e starts to hurt a bit. 300 will give some people pip, 400 most people 500 almost everyone.
Higher MG are for higher volume injections. If you're running a test only cycle then there's no reason for high mg unless you're getting into the high volume/high mg ranges.
The redness is a reaction to the high concentration, doubt it's crystallizing. Just your body creating a histamine response to the foreign 'contaminants'
There is Mr Microwave himself! I probably should have thanked Buff for teaching me that trick. (Eesh, gonna have to start putting an acknowledgements section in my comments.)
You are looking at a host of different things. First off, if it was a contamination you would definitely know by now... in a bad way.
High dosed compounds have to have a higer percentage benzyl benzoate in them to keep the compounds in solution. BB is an irritant to a lot of folks and furthermore the solvent (BB) always dissipates faster than the hormones themselves. SO in essence you hit the nail on the head. The solvent is an irritant itself, it dissipates, the hormone crashes in the muscles faster than it can be absorbed, the area will become flooded with leucocytes trying to fight off a foreign substance which further slows absorption making the swelling and pain last longer.
With these compounds i always take a hot shower or bath right after pinning, then off to the gym to work the exact area that i just pinned. It helps keep the muscle warm and gets the blood flowing to help spread the compound around a bit.
The final tip is what everyone has been saying below- cut it with more oil. I like to make it as simple as possible. Use one of the accesory shops listed on this wonderful site. Get at least a 20-30 ml sterile vial. STERILE SEALED. If the accesory shops dont have 10-20-30 ml syringes get one from a vet supply like Tractor Supply (online too) or similar store. Heat some GSO or favorite oil (use a mason jar in the microwave DO NOT USE STOVETOP), let it cool, draw up into the large syringe, attach a 22 micron syringe filter (dont fuck with 45 micron) and inject into sterile vial. Keep on hand for later use.
Thatll gitter done.
Question, bro: do you microwave to a certain temp or til it starts to boil or what??
thanks bro! very good read and very helpfull
Buy some usp grade grapeseed oil from a research site, or cottonseed, etc. Or from ebay, wherever.
Filter it with watman 22um or bake it to sterilize. Mix the sterile oil with your painful shit,,,i went 1:1 ratio, others say you dont need to add as much oil. Just keep diluting until you reach a point where you can tolerate the pip. Experiment.
I had to shelf my 500mg test until I cut it with cso. Its useable again tho.
You need to cut it with some other sterile oil. Those high mg compounds are not normally injected on their own. They are made to save space in the needle when injecting multiple compounds so that you don't have to pin so much oil all at once.
so what is it that causes the huge lump for days? isit the oil been absorbed and crystals been left behind?
Most likely it is because the high mg compounds typically contain high amounts of benzyl benzoate to keep everything in suspension and the large amount of hormone/ml's is gonna cause pip especially when it begins to crystalize in the muscle.
This post should answer all of your questions about pip.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/causes-and-so...
Could be many things. I would cut it with some type of sterile oil or just throw it in the bin. A few bucks ain't worth that type of pronged pain.