+ 5 TRT and Proviron...
Hello all - I'm almost 40, am on TRT - (150mgs / week Test) and I have a question about proviron.
Does anyone have any experiences when combining this compound to lower (TRT) doses of Test?
I am planning on adding this to my TRT protocol for the reported libido enhancing characteristics. My girl is in her 'prime' and I want to be able to keep up. ;) So, I'm giving proviron a whirl - 25mgs per day for the first week, evaluate and either increase to 50mgs/ day or decrease.
Hearing some any of your experiences with this would be a great help. In addition, I will glady share my experiences once I start next week.
Finally, here are my stats...
Age: 39
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 200+/-
BF: 20% give or take
Work out 3-5 times a week with cardio
Been on TRT 100-200mgs Test/ week for 2 years
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I may write a forum article on why Anavar at 25 mg/day is way better than Proviron. The short of it is the side efects risks androgenic ratings are close, but Vars anabolic ration is way, way higher. And you should be able to build hard lean muscle and possibly cut the Test dose down a bit.
You bring up a really great point. Within the past 8 weeks, I have taken a break from Proviron and have taken Anavar dosing at 50mg every other day. The anabolic effects of Anavar are astounding. I gained 15 pounds within the first 4 weeks. This was not a pretty 15 pounds. But, the mass was there. The effects were also quite noticeable in the gym as all weight pressing capabilities went up dramatically. I noticed that I was easily able to go from 245 lbs for 10 on the bench to 315 lbs on the bench for 10 after the first 4 weeks.
For me though, there was a downside of Anavar. From a cardiovascular perspective, I was challenged to maintain my runs for any sustainable period of time (more than a mile @ 8 minute pace). I also had respiratory issues. To be more specific, my lungs felt heavy all the time like I couldn't take a full breath. For that reason, I stopped taking the Anavar and plan to go back to Proviron in a few weeks.
In addition, I also noticed a decent spike in the bedroom. It was much more pronounced than Proviron. But this spike also came with a fair amount of aggression and irritability. I didn't experience this on Proviron.
In any event, I don't regret the experience. It is nice to see the contrast between products and the corresponding effects. This is helpful for comparative purposes. Hope this adds some value and is informative. - Cheers!
While I agree with the anabolic effects of an scar the acne and severe aggression I get from it is not worth it. I only started using proviron last year and cut my amount of injectable a way down while on it and I have seem remarkable gains and improved labido. I'll go to jail if I'm on anavar for more than a week. Stuff is worse than teen for me. This is just my experience...
That sounds more like Dbol. Are you sure it was Var?
I had the same exact thought
Not sure, nor will I ever be able to tell. However, I will likely stick to what I know works for me (Test + Proviron). But, I do think you are spot-on with your thoughts. Cheers!
Thank all of you for this great info. I'm getting some in my next order!!!
Good luck!
Proviron is ok, I've done 25 and 50mg/day while on TRT and it didn't make a a huge difference. the supplement Testofen which is just a really good fenugreek does more for me in way of feeling good.
Don't know much about it. What does it do for you? Do tell!
does the same thing as proviron.. converts more of your test into free test which gives a better feeling. Personally in my case, I Feel (i emphasize feel because I have no blood work to substantiate) the testofen works better than 50mg proviron for me. I take 2 testofen pills 2x a day when I use it.
Interesting. I'll have to look into it.
This thread needs more attention! I want to say GREAT job on tweeking ur TRT regime so that u feel the best u can ! And ALSO GREAT GREAT job for updating the thread !! I wish i can add to ur karma, u deserve it. Way to keep updates !!
Thanks! i will provide additional updates over the course of time. Cheers!
7 month update...
Change my routine slightly by reducing the intake to 25mg Proviron every other day. Man oh man what a difference adding DHT with Test has made in my life! I honestly feel amazing. After 2-3 years of trying various different types of TRT treatments, this combination has worked the best. Confidence and libido is through the roof. It got to be out of control with 50mg/ day. I mean I wanted to hump grammas in the nursing home. So, pairing back to 25mg EOD has me right where I want to be. I am leaner then I've ever been on Androgel, Test-E or Test-P alone. Belly fat is virtually gone in places where I struggled to keep it off in the past. Couldn't speak more highly about this combo. I also had my labs checked 2 weeks ago. Test came in at 1070. My liver and kidney function had actually improved since the last time it was checked. The only side that I've seen is slight tenderness in joints at times. But, that usually follows heavier bouts of cardio. Nothing too abnormal for someone 40 years of age. The bottom line is if you are on TRT doses of Test and are still struggling with libido, let the DHT in Proviron create more free test, and you too may feel the enhanced effects. Hope this helps.
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They dont suggest usin prop for TRT... But its working awesome for u... I want to make the switch from Test E to Prop... Whats the buggest difference
For me, Test-P has indeed worked the best - particularly compared to Test-E. Test-E for me caused quite a bit of water retention/ bloat and corresponding weight gain.
From an anabolic standpoint - muscle mass, physique, strength, workouts perspective, Test-P performed better than Test-E. I noticed lean gains with Test-P and less bloat. Androgenicaly (feeling masculine, libido, confidence, etc.) speaking, Test-P also had a slight edge which was grossly compounded with the addition of proviron. Test-E tended to elevate my blood pressure as well s the red blood cell count/ hematocrit levels - moreso than Test-P.
I've heard that Test-P tends to elevate Estrogen levels. However, with my lower dose, I have not experienced that.
...Hope this helps. Cheers!
Thanks for the update. +1
You may want to keep things like this to yourself, due to gross out and potential legal reasons! ;-)
OK - So, here is the one-week update after taking 50mg of proviron daily in addition to my 150mg of test-prop. In short, WOW!!! Why the heck didn't I discover the magic of proviron years ago. After 3 years of TRT trying multiple gels, injectanbles, dosages, etc., I finally feel what I've been seeking all these years. The general enhanced feeling of well-being (good mood, confidence, positivity) as well as a MASSIVE increase in libido. I am VERY impressed with the effects and results of adding proviron to the weekly protocol. I am incredibly thankfull for all the testimonies shared, available information, etc. It has been tremendously helpful.
Here is the jounal of my day to day experience over the course of the past week...
Day 1 - 50mg Test-P + 50mg Proviron:
Nothing noticed except being moderately agitated with everything and everyone. I'm not sure if I can attribute this to the Proviron due to an stress-level from work pressure and a lack of sleep.
Day 2 - 50mg Proviron:
I found myself at the computer searching for porn a bit more often. But, other than that, no noticecable results.
Day 3 - 50mg Test-P + 50mg Proviron:
Woke up feeling quite focused, confident and ready to destroy my workout at the gym. There wasnt any noticeable strength increases. But, I felt the urge to workout harder and do more excercise. My girl was out of town so, I again hit the porn and rather enjoyed it - a few times. We'll leave it at that.
Day 4 - 50mg Proviron:
Feeling fo well-being and confidence were again elevated and the workout was intense. No time to address libido needs on this day. But, I did find myself looking at almost every girl walking down the street and thinking - oh nevermind. ;)
Day 5 - 50mg Test-P + 50mg Proviron + 100mg Viagra:
Holy god! So my girl returned from a business trip. I stalked her all day. Because I knew we'd hit it at some point that night after dinner and drinks, I dropped a Viagra (just for fun). Let's just say as soon as the sitter left, I borderline assaulted her. But, she was crazy thankful. ;) After 5 times and finishing at 4AM, she tapped out. MOTHER OF GOD!! It seriously felt like I was 20 all over again.
Day 6 - 50mg Proviron:
Had an awesome workout. Was in a killer good mood all day. That night the girl and I went at it again a few more times. What a phenomenal experience and feeling.
Day 7 - 50mg Test-P + 50mg Proviron:
I feel totally 'normal' - like a guy in my 20s. Confident, full of energy, constantly thinking of sex, aggressive. This has been quite an improvement over the last 3 years of TRT doldrums.
Good stuff here mate! Just started TRT this oassed year, im about to add proviron 25mg starting tommorow looking forward to it brother
good job on keeping a log like this.
food for thought... prop has a high aromatization rate, meaning it converts to estro at a high rate. 50mg may not sound like much, but it is enough to put your levels around the 1000 mark, which is much higher than normal range for a person in their mid 20s. adding this to the short half life and the high conversion rate, estro will rise to the upper threshold and surpass it more quickly than you may realize.
what does this mean? based on what you're documenting here, it's likely that your estro was slightly outside of normal range for you, since there's no AI in the mix. proviron will help to regulate that. so, what you have here is the estro reducing effects of proviron that are getting your libido back in check, along with an extra boost from the dht.
This is excellent information!! Thank you! I agree. My endocrinologist seemed to think the estro #s were in check. But, it seems that my body is very sensitive to hormonal levels. Small doses of test had a ridiculous anabolic affect on me (in the gym). Estro was elevated slightly but in range so my endo did nothing. So I agree with you that even though they were in range, they probably were causing my body to react in a negative way. And finally, I couldnt agree more with the comment about the extra boost from the DHT. Thanks again for the comment and response!
I had proviron on board the last time my MD drew blood. At only 200mg Test C every 2 weeks I still had low T but bio available T was midrange.
I'm sure the proviron was the reason the bioavailable T was in range. I was running it in a blast just before the blood test so I can't speak much to how it may have changed my mood or performance.
But given its effect on SHBG and estrogen I will be running it 365 days/year.
Hey bro... I know this is an old thread but in the off chance you happen to stop back by I would like to add this. I also run Test Cypionate, very similar ester to Test Enanthate... Try 100mg every week as opposed to 200mg every 2. This will give you a much better constant blood level. I actually do 40-50mg every Monday and Thursday... Feels great.
Thanks - For experimental purposes I will give this a try. I am always up for less pinning. Cheers!
Thanks for the details around this. Cheers!
GearofWarI'm on TRT and I always have Proviron in my stash and use it religiously. It's great for increasing free-T and is also just about perfect to keep any excess estrogen in check on TRT sized doses of Test. Use it. Love it.
Hey Bud Thanks!
I am 54 and on TRT at about your same dosage. My overall test levels improved but I still have low free test values. A couple weeks ago I started in on Proviron at 25mgs twice a day. Holy mother of God...what a difference a little DHT can make to the system. Feeling harder and pumped, a sense of well being...interspersed with road rage, and libido through the roof.
I have dropped to just 25mg and feel this is a good dose for me while cruising on TRT.
Try it, you will like it.
I'm curious how often do you dose your TRT?
Test-P for me 2-3 times per week, 50mgs per injection.
I use test cyp and dose once a week.
If you switch to a biweekly schedule. It will suppress your SHBG even more. Your free test levels will go up on the same dose (how much I cannot tell you that will depend on your individual body chemistry).
Any issues with hair loss? That's my main concern with it.
I lost the fight with hair loss back in my 30's.
Wow Excellent! This is quite reassuring! Cheers!
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...sho...
I love proviron won't run another cycle without it. Personally I think with only 150mgs a week of test 25mgs a day will do perfectly but you can always try and run 50 mgs and see how that is for you
Appreciate your perspective!! Thanks!
Love proviron. Just used it for my last cycle with masteron as my ai. Now back on TRT test e 250 per wk and am going to continue with proviron first at 25 mg per day and my raise it to 50 mg per day if estrogen get out of control . The benefit is three fold, makes me feel good, eliminates adex, and sex is insane. I'll post up as I move along with this protocol. Fr sent and +1
Thanks for the info!! Cheers!