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  • Proviron...Should you use it?

  • P   •   Tue, Sep 11th, '12 08:46   •   328 replies, 48693 views

Resulting from numerous posts asking about proviron's uses and general questions, i have created a short fact sheet below, which not only encompasses common knowledge, it also identifies the un-common rules associated with proviron.

Proviron roster:

1) What is Proviron?
2) Proviron's uses x4
3) Benefits of proviron use on cycle
4) Proviron and Deca
5) Proviron dosages
6) Conclusion
7) My experiences

Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).

However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen levels under control in the male body (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro)) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.

Bodybuilders use proviron for four main reasons outlined below:

1) As a result of proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. Therefore, due to the increased strength (in comparison to testosterone) in its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes, it prevents estrogen build-up.

2) As previously mentioned, proviron increases the amount of free testosterone in the male human body. This is a very important point to consider, since approximately ~98% of testosterone is bound to the sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus, since it is bound to the SHBG it is not free testosterone any more and therefore cannot be used to build muscle.

3) As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option (proviron has been named as an oral masteron - this topic is debateable). The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, thus decreasing water retention.

4) Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence and helps a males sex-drive upto a certain point. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.

A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.

To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.

I thank all you guys commenting on this proviron topic - and you may be asking yourself, why did i chose to write this...karma? Well...it would be good in encouraging me to continue to write posts and learn more to share my knowledge base, but also to gain opinions.

We have the simple facts (as above), but personal experiences are where it's at.

I came across proviron 2 years ago, where a friend had no clue what to do with it let alone what it was for, so he kindly gave me his proviron free of charge - and, i suppose, as a thank you, i decided to write this post (as above), so that if he were ever in a situation where he once again had proviron, he would know when, how and at what dosages to use it at.

So i proceeded with a little self experiment (not particularly scientifically controlled), i chose to do two AAS cycles, very simple ones, however, one had proviron in, and the other didn't.

The cycles are as followes:

Cycle #1 (Without proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Cycle #2 (With proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 1-12 = Proviron/25mg ED
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

The controlled factors are as followes:

+) Diet was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 - same meal sizes, portions, macro-nutrient breakdowns and mealtimes.
+) Training was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 (however, an overall increase of ~5% resulting from the first cycle was carried forward).
+) Training time was consistent, same with intensity - I had the same job, so this control was relatively easy to adhere towards.
+) BF% monitored constantly throughout both cycles - BF% remained the same, with a +/- 1% when on cycle due to a tiny bit of bloat

Findings

I too, like GS took my asin in the morning with grapefruit juice and peanut butter, and after a week i found myself to be extremely drowsy and de-motivated in comparison to my 'normal' self. So, i did some reading, and found that free estrogen levels peak towards the end of the night, thus, i began takin the asin pre-bed.

Now, my findings as far as the proviron goes - well, libido wise i was flying high on Cycle #1, but with the inclusion of proviron in Cycle #2 made me want to penetrate anything and everything! In my opinion, the dosage i took was conservative, and although it's is hard to quantify, my 'hornyness' rose ~7-10%. Now we conclude...

Conclusion

My gains post PCT with Cycle #1 were 11.5 lbs, and in Cycle #2 were 11lbs.
Now, this has got me thinking. There are many factors which could have played part in here. In my opinion, post Cycles #1 and #2 revealed good gains, but the gains in Cycle #2 dropped slightly - this could be to do with my body being increasingly responsive towards external test sources among many other factors.

Although my conclusion is brief, i do believe proviron is an important factor in ones cycle, simply because the hornyness (feeling of anabolic well-being) was greatly appreciated by myself, through increases in free testosterone, but also in aggression and motivation in the gym

Thanks for reading,
Brutha-P

References: (http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_5495558_proviron-side-effects.html)
Disclaimer: This post has been written 100% by myself P. If you feel i have breached copyright infringements I would like to see proof.

Comments

  • enhanced-anabolics's picture
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  • enhanced-anabolics
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love proviron here but i personally need doses 75mg ed upwards works wonders for libido ;)

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  • eric11
  • 4 weeks ago

running proviron on current cycle high doses started at 50mg. 1st 4 weeks,now week 5 100mg.ed.

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  • kynduvme
  • 4 weeks ago

I just use it for anti estrogen on-cycle

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  • shaun1
  • 5 months ago

Can one stand to benefit from 12.5mgs of provi ed while on 600mgs awk testE or would 25mgs be better. First time running provi.

  • Makwa's picture
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Start off with 25mg. 50mg is the sweet spot for me when on cycle. Anything above that seems to be a waste though.

  • shaun1's picture
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In deed I will sir. Everything I have read on it seems to make it a no brainer. Its like it should be a must like pct.

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Damn every other post I make turns into a double I really think its my phone please excuse me.

  • polys's picture
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  • polys
  • 5 months ago

any chance to get bayer proviron in UK but 50 tablets pack not those 20 packs from turkey?

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  • merinder
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  • @polys

turkey make normal products

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  • Slamhams
  • 6 months ago

Where are you getting this references ? Make your own

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  • Slamhams
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For sex... Get some Liquid Cia 30mL 30mg/mL...heard it last for 3 days if you want it to.2 drops..away you go.

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  • karatekidj
  • 7 months ago

Could the proviron be used just for a sexual enhancer? IE just taking it on days were I want to be reallllly potent.

  • Unlight13's picture
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  • Unlight13
  • 10 months ago

Just got done running Proviron ED at 50mg....I love it but I think 75 would do me better.

  • VIKING EVOLUTION's picture
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unless you are running a gram or over of test bro i would suggest you dont............. you may crash your E2 i know a few guys on here that have crashed using 50mg

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Yes not only the crash..but it will beat the shit out of your hairline..

  • VIKING EVOLUTION's picture
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yeah that happens too if the person is very prone to Androgen sides... or has a large amount of other high androgenic compounds in a stack.

DHTs need to calculated and monitored in this scenario.......... this is why a lot of women suffer with hair loss because they tend to run with androgens rather than anabolic compounds, thats the safer route for them but the sides can be horrendous if not monitored correctly.

My Mrs had hair problems from high androgens and it has taken nearly 3yrs for it to correct itself.

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  • DragonDog
  • 10 months ago

I am currently using Proviron or Mesterolone 100 - 150mg per day as part of my fertility treatment. In addition, I am prescribed 5000IU hCG and HMG each 3X per week. It has made a huge difference as I have no pituitary, so not being on TRT is rough. The Proviron has kept me feeling good. Also, it is one of the few orals that is not hepatoxic since it is non-17 α-alkylated derivative. The most interesting aspect of Proviron is at doses up to 150mg it has minimal impact on the production of LH. I agree that it definitely increases libido, which I like.

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  • EricBomba
  • 1 year ago

Don't know if I need to use Proviron along with my cycle, or after cycle.

  • Basicstero.com's picture
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during your cycle of course. it decreases SBHG level and respectively, raises the level of free = bio-available testosterone, which means higher cycle efficiency.
Some athletes think that proviron helps with recovering endogenous testosterone and shall be a part of PCT. in many stores you find it in the PCT section. This is an fallacious conclusion. Proviron is a steroid, a derivative of dehydrotestosterone. By its chemical structure it`s closer to our native DHT as any other DHT-derivated steroid like anavar, masteron, winstrol, etc.
While having steroidal structure there is no way proviron can help with recovery. It only replaces lack of testosteron, thus, a person feels better, more energy, higher libido, etc. In fact proviron as any other steroid shut downs production of endogenous testosterone due to the so called negative feedback loop. Once you stop using it your body will have no more replacement and you start feeling worse again.
So, once again, proviron as well as HCG, by the way, only delays your recovery. It shall not be taken after cycle. Only SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) like clomiphene citrate, toremifene citrane, tamoxifen will be usefull in rocovering your endogenous testosterone after cycle.

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Oh!!! Many thanks. If it's kind of steroid I can add it to make some gains?
Once I read that I could use it for PCT, because (you also mentioned) that it's can increase libido and give me more energy.
After your detailed response I guess it's a very bad idea.

  • Jimmy28's picture
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  • Jimmy28
  • 1 year ago

Great info, thanks!

  • Miketren's picture
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  • Miketren
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I love proviron in general. it just puts me in a better mood. Having a more stable mind set on cycle helps me keep focused on eating right and following my routine

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  • peters
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I add proviron on most of my cycles. If tren is uesed i def add proviron keeps sex drive at good level.

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  • ashop
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I like PROVIRON with most all my cycles but I need 75-100mg daily.
I get a distinct hardness to my physique and a distinct boost in sex drive
and it works as a mild anti E

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  • cellblock
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For me proviron didn't do jack shit and I question whether mine was real. Because I just switched to Letrzole and am getting much better estrogen control and Im using dostinex for the tren. But I can get my cock hard and can fuck anytime I want .. Thank God!!!

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  • llubtip
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I never cycle without it.

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  • Just Curious
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My own experiments with Proviron are quite comparable, with one important difference.
Running Deca 400mg/Wk, Anabol 25mg/Day and Sust 250/Wk, all I needed to keep my estrogens in check was 25mg of Proviron/Day. No Nolva or Clomid. I continued to take Proviron for another month after last shot of the AS stock. By balls re-bounced nicely, kept about 80 %of gains.

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  • CaptainKenny
  • 2 years ago

Great read. Still don't know if I want to try it. The increase libido is always a plus. How was the liver enzymes.

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Hey maxmuscle

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  • muscleman1687
  • 2 years ago

great, helps me a lot, thank you bro!!!!