posted Sun, 11/10/2013 - 02:53
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Frontloading Long Ester or KickStart with Prop?
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Ok guys,
I have seen a few different opinions on either option. How about some opinions from those who have actually tried both of these options.
I would like to this next cycle and I have enough on hand to do either. The Test E would be 1200mg on day 1 and 300mg 2x weekly thereafter. Or Test Prop 100mg EOD.
Lets hear some experienced opinions!
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UFOMy PERSONAL opinion would be to kick with prop. The frontload for me(test cyp) had a shitty side effect. It did raise my levels super quickly that by week 2 came around I felt great. But from that point on it felt like I never reached that week 2 spike again and just felt like my levels dropped from there on. Id rather have the same feeling throughout the cycle rather than a huge spike in the first cple weeks and drop off for the rest of the cycle.
Thats interesting.... did you have labs done to confirm your estro didn't spike? I am just curious as to what could have caused ur levels to drop (or at least what would make you feel that way?)
UFOYep kept my estrogen under control and got blood tests to confirm. Personally I just think my test levels hit a high point during that first 2 weeks that I was not able hit again. Cry_havoc posted a really nice graph that even shows a huge spike withing the first 15 days and then a gradual drop for the rest of the cycle. I don't know, I personally felt that drop in levels and didn't like it. Maybe others just don't feel it. I will however frontload something like EQ just not test anymore...
You could actually do both depending on what you want to accomplish. I assume you are running a basic 600 per week test only cycle so front loading is reasonable but I would do 600 per shot for the first 2 weeks and if you want to kick start with prop that's fine but only for the first 4 weeks. You will spike your plasma level way up which you will see is a wast of money before it comes down to steady state range. I am attaching a few post on that will illustrate a few principles that will help you see what I am talking about. They all work together for an overall picture but the last one will shed some light on doubling up on esters.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/maximizing-cycles
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-do-different-esters...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/missing-a-week-of-shots
Ok thanks. So you're saying 600 2x weekly for first 2 weeks then cut back to the normal 300 per injection thereafter?
I read somewhere that I should inject 600 on Sunday, 600 on Monday, nothing on tuesday, then start my 300mg regular cycle on wednesday night and sunday mornings. That would be a total of 1500mg in 4 days...I thought it sounded a little heavy.
But to answer your other question... yes a straight Test E cycle and may toss some var in by week 7 depending on gains.
Thanks again
I have not done a kickstart with prop.Although,I have ran a cycle with prop and got tired of all the pinning.I frontload long esters now.I would split the 1200mg into 2 shots the first week.