posted Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:59
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Test prop and Tren ace cycle length question
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Age: 25
height: 5'9
Weight: 190
First cycle: test e 500/week 12 weeks
Second cycle: test prop 100mg and NPP 75mg for 7/8 weeks. (ran the test prop a week longer)
Third cycle: Test prop 150mg and NPP 100mg for 7/8 weeks.
My next planned cycle is going to be:
Test Prop and Tren ace 50mg/day for 10 weeks.
Now my question is, is it necessary to run the prop 1-2 longer after the last tren shot such as the case for an test prop and npp cycle?
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Alright, reading from your comments, ill take your guys advice and do a test e/eq cycle instead.
Could I get some recommendations on how the cycle layout should look?
1-14: test e 600mg/week
1-12: eq 500mg/ week
or
1-16: test e 600mg/week
1-14: eq 500mg/week
on cycle ai: arimidex .25 E3D
hcg 250iu E3D
pct 4 weeks after last injection:
nolvadex 20/20/20/20
clomid 50/50/50/50
zewiThe second one. Eq need a min 14 weeks.
You would be better off with something like this IMO
1-4 Test p @ 100mg EOD
1-16 Eq @ 400mg(can be 600)
1-18 Test E @ 500mg a week(what every you want 600)
4-16 Arimidex .25mg E3d nipples get sore .25mg EOD if still sore .5mg EOD, or ED
Start PCT 15 days after last test E shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Im a little confused about frontloading. When you frontload, do you use the test prop alone only for 4 weeks than start the actual cycle, or do you just go ahead and just the test e and eq from day 1 as well when you start the test prop?
zewiweek one is test p , test e and eq and you keep doing that week 1-4 when week 5 starts its just test e and eq until eq stops at week 16 and your just on test e.
I got one more question regarding injection frequency. Im assuming its going to be the same as a test e only cycle? I.E monday/thursday, tuesday/friday?
cdaddy7Correct
Alright I get it now. Thanks again for your help.
Thanks for your help.
cdaddy7Wow my man, u need to STOP and LISTEN before u really jack ur body up and find urself with no nuts and a major hormone crisis!!!
WOW 10 wk ED pin lover.... fuck me i would look like a watering can after this lmfao!
Crazy cycle idea... much better cycles that would give superior results IF you get the nutrition spot on.
Send that tren to me for even better results lol.
zewichefwaffles 2 @zewi 13 minutes ago
Nolvadex and clomid are both SERMS, so taking both of them at the same time is kind of pointless. Plus nolvadex is alot more potent and ill be using HCG as well.
You have no idea what clomid and Nova do-- do you???
tread-mNo reason for a 25 yr old to run tren brother. I think you have far too many compounds to achieve with waaay ahead of it and compounds that good carb work can give you the same finished product. Simple test/var run with great carb work is much smoother for a new gear user and kitchen in place you have incredible luck with it. My advice is focus in the kitchen/carbs and slow the roll. Way too many tools available to be on the train this early. Focus on the real work here and have patience. Test run loading the muscle early and close the cycle with var and the carb work and lean up , get vascular and solidify the cycle. You're young, very healthy and this is all you need to bang out those same looks. At 25 if you don't look amazing when you finish tht run you did it wrong. Glad to lay out the cycle if desired.
THats great advice!!
AnonI would go with test, eq buddy. It might be a longer run than your used to, but generally you save the big guns til last.
zewiIm with cdaddy--id get a few more cycles. Until you really understand tren.
However, what are your goals?
cdaddy7Uncle Zewi in the house to steer u right
zewiwe never leave this place were else would i be..lol
cdaddy7I honesty would put the Tren up until you get a few more cycles under your belt. Your cycle history looks great and conservative. You are smarterly introducing the gear and acclimating the doses each cycle. Tren is great but not a novice choice. Let's consider a good alternative to yield u quality gains for now. Give me an idea of what exactly your goal is ? Tell me little more about your past cycle experiences and PCT. With that info we can help you in making the best choice for your 4th cycle
I prefer short esters over the longer ones because my overall goal is to gain lean mass. My first on cycle ai was arimidex .25 E3D along side hcg. Pct was aromasin and nolva for 4 weeks dosed at 20/20/20/20. For the next two cycles I again used arimidex and hcg during cycle, but added .50 caber in for the NPP to keep the prolactin levels down. PCT again i used aromasin and nolvadex for 4 weeks and hcg blasted for 3 days before i started the pct regime.
zewiPct was aromasin and nolva for 4 weeks dosed at 20/20/20/20???
Aromasin is an AI made for on cycle.
Where is Clomid??
Nolvadex and clomid are both SERMS, so taking both of them at the same time is kind of pointless. Plus nolvadex is alot more potent and ill be using HCG as well.
you're fine with 1 serm, Zewi has more rep points than actual scientific knowledge. ditch the AI on PCT. Nothing to aromatize = no AI required. 20/20/10/10 will more than get the job done.
Welcome mr clenbuterol... yes i do my fucking homework lol... let battle commence you want a knowledge contest... i have that shit coming out my pores bro lmfao!
cdaddy7Bro throw that shit my way, I got plenty of scientific background. Wrong!! u need both they both do very different things in pct. Do u value ur nuts? Clomid assists in kickstart. Nolva doesn't. U really should do ur research before u start barking about things u def do not know about. I bet u that u lose most of ur cycle gains and strength in post cycle
zewiTest and Tren go after the same receptors, Tren wins most of the time. Which means you have left over test which turns into estro. YOU NEED AN AI !!
Bin it zewster... you tried but its the same old story! guy just needed lip service ,hes gonna do his own thing no matter bro... stress raises cortisol levels i dont want my bro with high cortisol it kills gains lol
zewiAlways looking out thank you..
The man the myth the legend Viking
zewiClomiphen-- works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone.
That right there is the difference. Doing this helps your Testis come alive.
Nova-stimulates the biosynthesis of luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) that in turn initiate both intra-gonadal testosterone production and spermatogenesis as well as systemic testosterone secretion and virilization. The blood flow brings GnRH into the anterior pituitary where endocrine cells synthesize and produce FSH and LH.
Nova helps with LH(needed for natural test) and FSH(helps produce sperm
) in the pituitary but doesn't block estro form the pituitary--it blocks estor in other location like the chest.
zewiYou have no Idea what Nova and clomid do---do you??
cdaddy7Yes, most def u got to dial in that PCT bc I have a feeling you have lost a little more than u should of because of improper PCT. Good news is your in the right place for us to help you fix and make this next cycle optimal and you will then see the importance of the proper PCT and just how it is important for quality retainment
Thank god someone said no already! Why not try Deca or EQ before Tren? I say EQ. I would also prefer a guy to run almost everything else before busting out the tren.
Damn all of you! Looks like I'll have to shelf the Tren for a few more cycles :(
What the exp. date on Tren? Haha
zewidepends on when you got it. If its in a dark cool place.. 2 years is safe.
Haven't recieved it yet, but that's another story! "Should" have it soon. I'll store in the basement. I would like to use it next summer, but that may be pushing it. I really need to get everything in place before I decide to use Tren. Mostly eating enough. I'm fairly new to cycling, so my body responds really well to just test and such.
You have come a long way bro. I remember we had this convo a while back. I'm proud of u homie. Way to go. Holler at me in Pm bro we'll get u set up for a bright future homeboy!
I appreciate it GS/guys. I'm going to start a new Topic/Thread this fall. You guys deserve all the credit. This place has really helped me a ton. I was a guy just learning from friends (gym rats). Never heard of PCT or great compounds until I came here almost a year ago. It was always just, 10 weeks test here, maybe some dbol and winnie thrown in there. Never really complete cycles. I will take a couple months to get a few things right. With my natural size and strength, and you guys' smarts, there is no reason it shouldn't be a bright future! I'll have before pics posted soon. I really appreciate it fellas.
zewio how bright it will be.
zewiI agree with you.