Summer Cut Cycle 12week
Hey guys so coming up in about a month and a half. I will be doing a 12 week cut. Looking for suggestions. I like to running pretty moderate doses nothing crazy high. Start low work my way up if need be. Bloods every 4 weeks and of course my diet will be on point. Last two cycles where bulkers and ready to lean out to see my progress at low bf. Will be getting a Dexa scan before and after cycle to track results and BF%.
Test P 150 eod week 1-12 (I don't mind pinning and have a ton.)
Mast P 100 eod week 9-12 (looking for suggestions on if I should run from the beginning or start later.)
Var 40mg ed week 6-12 (I may bump up but buddy ran 60mg of same stuff same batch with amazing results.)
Adex .5 eod week 2-12 (blood work to see what e2 is at adjust accordingly.)
4-6iu Growth 5 on 2 off for entire cycle. (Currently on 4iu. off cycle)
Standard PCT:
Clomid 75mg ed week 1-2/50mg week 2-4
Nolva 40mg ed week 1-2/20mg week 2-4
My last two cycles I have run an extra week of PCT just to be safe. So ill prob do that.
If there are things i should drop please feel free to add your suggestions. As well as dosage recommendations. I can always save stuff and I trust this forum.
Thanks guys.
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RustyhookerI wouldnt run any short esters for 12 weeks. Repost better plans.
Also what's the reasoning behind that?
RustyhookerCommon sense is why. If you're hitting 12 weeks use prop to kick and taper. But from what ive seen theres only a few of us demented enough for ed pins beyond 8 weeks.
One more question rusty. Would a prop kicker be bad for a cutting due to the excess test = water weight? What would be a good lay out 500mg test e 1-12 and 75mg prop eod 1-4 and then taper aswell 4 weeks out.
Your main purpose with a cutter is to use the anabolics to spare lean body mass while in a calorie deficit. You are not going to be ripped enough when you start your cycle to be worrying about carrying additional water weight and blurring definition anyway. I would taper with the test p after your last shot of test e for that 2 wks or so you are waiting to start your PCT. The mast will keep you plenty dry.
Understood makwa. So what would be a good kickstart dosage? I already tapered my last two cycles so I got that down.
LOL. Thanks bro i do agree with that its not fun but i push through it even though it does get old. But i do agree maybe thats a good idea i just have a ton of test p that why and short esters together... But thats a good idea to use for kick and taper. I have used to taper but not for a kick.
I could switch for test c. But I already got the Mast p so maybe just run it for 8?
RustyhookerMast and test only is good. Run test c for 12 weeks and mast prop 8-14. Prop 12-14 then pct. 100 eod of each should be plenty. Everything else on cycle is food, gym and sleep. Gear is ONLY for repair. Short out on food and gym...its gonna fail
Sounds like a good plan. Nah Im not pro but i dont cheat on meals or gym sessions. So i think i will be good. excited to see what i have gained these last two cycles. Thanks Rusty.
Is 9 weeks of Test P and Mast P ok?
Rustyhookerstats say hardgainer and sexy as fuck. Id say post a new forum with pix, goals and priors. Hardgainer is 100% food or your metabolism eats mass and you're skinny again.
I did an intro bro. I totally agree with you staying on top of my eating is a must, I've been taking notes from weight gain forum here so far so good.
I was just asking if 9 weeks of Test Prop is too long? For future reference
Sorry I don't trust posting pics to a roid site lol! I can assure I'm athletic not bodybuilder but am looking to put on some more muscle but has to be functional.
RustyhookerWithout doing base cycle outlined in groups....first cycles explained, its hard to tell. Stabbing yourself daily for 6 weeks and most dudes are crying
Personally i wouldn't do everyday pin for 9 weeks that seems a like a lot.
I'm referring to every other day pinning for 9 weeks if that's cool in your book
Jacking my thread homie! Lol
My bad bro didn't meant to
No worries bro I had some of those questions to. Still wondering a good kick start dose. I'm thinking 100eod for 1-4. Or just touching it out and doing prop entire way. Since I load of it. I have tapered with prop but never kick start.
100mg eod for the first 4 weeks sounds like a reasonable kicker to me but according to rustyhooker I don't know shit.
Rusty comes off harsh. But he's got love for everyone.
All good I can take it
Him and Makwa have shared some excellent knowledge here it was an enjoyable read good luck on you cycle and the PR's to come
Thanks bro. Looking forward to it
RustyhookerI like seeing folks learn and come back 15 pounds bigger.
100eod is a good kicker. If you've got 10 pin points then give either option a try. I just hate advising to go for it and then dudes are pin sore and quit. Ive done it...but im glutton for punishment .
Click my avatar and read the pip forum if you need tips. The feedback from members is golden
15 pounds fatter or muscle?
RustyhookerLol... muscle.
Lol. 15lbs of some solid high ass e2
that is what I would do for a kick. 100mg EOD for the first 3-4 wks. I would dump it at three wks just because I hate pinning but stretch it out to 4 if the pinning isn't a problem for you yet
RustyhookerMany pins a week does get tiresome. : /
When is a kick 2 or 4 weeks? Just to clarify. lol thanks bro. I did ed pinning last cycle for 8 weeks and it did get old i have to admit mostly because of the inconvenience not the pain lol.
RustyhookerI can fully understand ed pins and inconvenience. 4 weeks kicker is a basic standard.
Happy growing bro
9 weeks of test prop is fine....if you can stand the extra pinning involved.
Obviously if your doing a long cycle the sensible thing to do is use long estered gear test e/c.
But I know guys who do 12 week cycles of just prop with no problems at all
Every other day for 9 weeks seems sensible pinning to me.
Do guys really do everyday pinning on Test Prop for 9-12 weeks!? That just seems excessive why not just do enanthate or cyp once or twice a week for 10-12 weeks.
RustyhookerAge: 33
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 186lbs
BF: Trying to bulk up so haven't checked
Jesus christ!!!
Thought it was his thread and stats were down below........I need my fucking eyes testing bro my bad
RustyhookerNot a worry boss. He jumped on thread for his own cycle. I only posted so maybe he understands and learns. You're doing great
Thanks rusty....means a lot mate ;)
Not at all I was just asking if 9 weeks before of Prop every other day is cool in your book for future reference and maybe for Wheetes reference
Stalking me? Hahaha!
You must want The D!
(For entertainment purposes gotta stay in character)
If you want The D all you got to do is ask baby.
RustyhookerDude....face reality for a minute. If youre stats are correct then bodyfat is what sets your goals. Meaning if you're 20% then your lean mass is like 155. Not good to hit gear for an obvious foid and gym flaw. If youre at 8% then your thin but rocked and simple food adjustments will jump you over 200 easy.
There's no shortcuts. There's just wasted funds.
Stalking? You write like you're 18 and dont know shit about the gym. Thats why i asked for pix.
Why are you talking shit to me? I just asked a simple question and you're being an ass about it.
I don't know shit about the gym? Why because I'm new to the forum? You're not getting any pix because that's not what I'm here for I'm here to learn about aas for athletes and nutrition. I know there no shortcuts only hard work and dedication
300 SavageLooks good..I would run that mast p.for at least 2 of the months. I would also pin daily..Not an EOD pin schedule. +1
Sounds good. Thanks bro.
Stats
Age: 27
Height: 5'7
Weight: 185
BF: 12% (bf caliper) I would say 14%
These accurate and long have you been off cycle for? what about cycle history. Have you used all these compounds before? Have you used them together and if not which ones have you used.
If you're going to use the Mast P I would get my BF down to a true 10 to 12% before staring and would run it for the duration. I'd run my Mast P higher at say 100mg ED / 200mg EOD and the test prop at 50mg ED / 100mg EOD. 12 weeks is a long time for ED/EOD pinning but as you say you have experience here so that should be ok for you. If the anavar is accurately dosed 40mg ED for the last 6 weeks should be good. No need to bump to 60mg ED. Don't forget your liver and on cycle support.
Can't commen On your decision to dose your AI from week 2. If you're experienced enough then you know best how your aromatise. For me I wouldn't even use an AI on this cycle but that's me. Good call on bloodwork though it's really an essential in my view.
GH is a great addition in my opinion. And your PCT looks
Ok although personally I like to run my clomid at 100mg ED for the first 2 weeks. I always run extended PCT's of 6 weeks but I'm an old man (42) - and yes I still PCT :-).
Hey Dacky,
So for BF% i would say Im close to 12% at this point at this point. Abs are slightly visible vascular. But again I will be getting a dexa scan before i start. I would like to start at a reasonably low bf. I have been off for 4 1/2 months when I start again. I have used test in my first two cycle of course one with Tbol aswell. I have not used mast or var. My thoughts would be stick with just the mast till close to when i would start var decide whether if i even need var. I may be happy with the results with just test / mast.
Can I taper up with the mast p? cause that is a pretty high starting dose and i like to start low. And monitor sides. Also why the test so low? for water retention or for mast to do its thing?
If i run a lower test as your suggesting my AI may be a little high so ill prob start lower but that will be determined with bloods.
I ran TUDCA and NAC my last cycle with 50mg Tbol and will do the same with the var if i run it.
The only reason i dont do 100mg ed for first two weeks of pct is clomid really fucks me up lol and i only buy USA pharma for pct. Things have been good these last two cycle my pct bloods look amazing.
Thanks Dacky for your response its much appreciated.
Ok well my view is stick to one new compound and after all this is your third cycle. If it were me I would use the Mast and keep the VAR for another cycle. Get your BF to 10% and then start. Don't bother with a dexa scan. It's a total waste of money and just a number. It will just tell you are actually at a higher body fat than your expect. I have seen guys ripped and competing at what we would consider 6 to 7% and dexa had them at 12%.
You can of course ramp up if that's what you feel more comfortable with. I find 100mg ED a really good dose for Mast P. The only side I've ever noticed is extra aggression but nothing hectic and it didn't seem to be dose dependent for me. It was a good type of aggression I put to use in the gym.
As to low test I mean the goal here is to cut right so you want limited water weight and you don't need much testvto maintain mass and let the Mast P really shine which is why I encouraged you to use a reasonable dose. If you want you can start your test higher and then as you ramp your Mast P up you drop the test.
Hope that makes sense.
Great info thank you for sharing I love some good Mast p and test p
Thanks bro will do. I'll save the var and run the Mast only and ramp it up with a low test dose...the var doesn't expire for a while so that's no worry.
That's what I though with the test I'll start with both at 350 then move the Mast up as it sets in. I just weary about running new compounds since tbol gave me some weird feelings and I was gonna run npp but that shit gave me some nasty anxiety. Newbie move on my part so now Ive learned my lesson I research a ton ask for opinions and start low.
I've started cardio 2x per week I have a high metabolism so I lose easily with a clean diet and will bump to 3 in the next two weeks to get down a little lower before start.
Thanks again dack.
Pure fucking knowledge right ther buddy ;)