posted Fri, 06/17/2016 - 05:18
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Deca or Dbol which is fav?
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Second cycle planning. Looking for mass. But also the compound that's not as harsh on the body. Thinking dbol or deca or NPP. Lmk what you guys like and why?
Planning out my second cycle. Finished my first test only at 500 per week. 2 months ago. Gonna wait another two months. But anyways, I'm looking for a solid second cycle stack. A mass stack.
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Hey bro,
Honestly man. If you did well on Test the first time and it sounds like you did I would just run it again. When you feel like you're not growing anymore on Test would be the time to start adding other chemicals. Please don't feel like your missing out on something exciting. Your not. I don't want to write a novel here, but feel free to send me a friend request and we can always talk in PM if you want. Running heavier and heavier amounts of chemicals is not the secret to getting massive. Your body can only build muscle tissue so fast no matter what you use.
Best,
GH
Thanks man much appreciated. I'll prob stick with test and proviron. Or maybe just test c with a test prop kick start. You guys all have had great info. I appreciate all the responses.
RustyhookerAge: 26Height: 5'7Weight: 162BF:
Current stats not filled in. Picture is better. 25% bf is much different than 10
Fixed thanks. And photo seen here now. What would be your recommendation?
Pic : https://www.eroids.com/pics/first-test-c-done
RustyhookerExcellent! Mighty midget style. Well....taller than me. Lol.
You're solid dude and added 12 pounds which is excellent. I'd say to keep it simple and repeat what you just did. Add in provi 4-14 til pct starts. Less pinning and more free test. Bloods week 5 to dial in estro as/if needed.
I'd hold off stacking til your full mass is achieved. My first half dozen cycles were test only. I then went to test winny in spring and test low dbol winter bulk. Kept it simple eat n grow or eat clean to cut.
After simple few runs, try prop kicker and taper. You'll learn 8 points injection, faster test rise and taper to squeeze in last pound.
What exactly does proviron do in lamens terms. I've read a little about it but only grasp that they used to use it as a anti estro before nolva.
Thanks for the feed back I'll definitely stick to test and maybe proviron after I understand it lol.
In short, it binds to SHBG. SHBG reduces the amount of free circulating testosterone in your system. It therefore increases the amount of free circulating unbound testosterone in your system by keeping SHBG busy.
RustyhookerBingo!
As your body notices the test levels are far above natural, it seeks to bring balance and lower total free (useable) testosterone. Sbh binds to the excess test and renders it useless. Orals free up test and provi is just one route.
Thanks for the info rusty.
I see I see. Aswell with hardening too? That would be a nice perk.
Sweatpants too tight?
it has some minor hardening effect, but nothing to write home about. There's better drugs for that purpose if trying get into single digits.
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Fuck im gonna have to get some baggy sweats huh? Lol yea I figured that would be the case. Especially if my diet is more bulk oriented. But I'll definitely want to look into some hardening and cutting types of compounds. But like I said I'm gonna stick with what all you said and stay simple for now. I need to get a bigger foundation. And the less harsh compounds the better.
Ditch the tight sweats!
Lol!! Small guys gotta get it where they can
Rusty is in charge of the shorties here ;)
Good to see you've built a base. Makes a refreshing change.
RustyhookerYour advice is gold on here. Anyone wanting real gains is following your food forum.
op -- click on his avatar. ...check his forums.
bigmurphSecond cycle if you made good gains with the first just using test stick with it if you must add dbol at a low dose and be prepared to deal with estro issues.
I would definitely not go with a nor 19 when you say you want to add mass im guessing that you want to get your frame bigger maybe try sust 3x a wk at 250mgs a pin and use pharma grade.
Sust will put more water in you which will help you heal better and you will put on mass by eating like a horse huge protien intake and good protien not powders meats this will get you the mass i believe that you want.
Skip the dbol and add Proviron at 50mgs a day split.
I think this would be a better cycle for your goals and a better cycle as your second.
Thanks for reply man. Yes, I am trying to get a bigger "frame" this last test cycle I gained a solid 12lbs and have lost only a pound in pct. @176 at 5'7 lean. Would love to get up to 190 or close. Then cut back down later. I don't want to get any bigger than that. I will look into sust and or proviron. Thanks again.
bigmurphNo problem im here to help if you want shoot me a fr request and you can hit me up anytime
19 Nors are out of the Question.
No such thing as a mass stack. Drugs don't dictate Goals. Food does.
Agree with that. But wouldnt let's say deca and dbol hold more water. Making it more appealing for a bulk than a cut cycle. And why deca? If you don't mind explaining. Thanks man.
Fat thumbed you by mistake so I had to correct it
Deca is typically preferred for a bulk for the reasons you state. But using a 19Nor compound for a second cycle is pointless as you're potentially shutting yourself down much harder for a drug that isnt required to reach your goals, on top of adding new hormone levels to balance out... 19nors as usually saved for much later cycles when that little extra is needed to go even further.
At your stats there is no need for such a harsh compound. Also Always only add in one compound at a time per cycle so you know what is causing negative side effects rather than trying to play whack a mole.
What would be your Rec for second cycle. With one compound added?
Provi.
bigmurphThats exactly what I thought for him and maybe go with sust this time pin 3x a wk
You agree i think that would work good for him.
The only prob with that much test is when I did 500 this past cycle. Week 7 I got a lot of anxiety and so I cut back to 400. And switched to prop at 400 the last 3.5 weeks
I love sust but he may need to get used to the pin frequency. I'd say just test + provi and a shit ton of food and he's gravy.
Pin frequency is no prob did prob the end of this cycle for 3 weeks. The only down side to that high of a dose. Is what I said above. Referring to the anxiety I got at week7 still not sure if it was the test or a bad batch of ghrp-6 but most likely the test.
Interesting. You could break that up to total 500mg-600mg of sust per week if you'd like, whatever you're comfortable with. You've got a solid base going so pretty much repeating the same cycle and shoveling food down your throat will yield you success. Just don't be scared to hold a little more fat and you'll hit 190 without issue.
Yea that's what I have heard about deca shut down. My shut down from test wasn't to bad at all. Just about 3 days of down feeling. So I wouldn't want to make it much worse than that lol. If I can. Thank you for the insight.
You can't "feel" shutdown. If you don't have Bloodwork to prove you recovered, then you have no idea.
Just feel like some "feel" really shut down after no energy, depression, ect. I suffer from those tiny bit I guess...
Yea got bloods a month ago. Gonna get them again to make sure I'm all good. First was looking good.