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First off let me establish that I have done a good bit of reading on the search page here on this topic and did not get the info j wuss looking for.
Second this is not a cycle proposal. I am simply gather info and looking for input from the more experienced members of this community.
Third I am not a troll nor am am I trying to add to the massive influx of new one day accounts looking for hand outs.
Fourth I admit I made mistakes before I came here and didn't learn as quickly as I should have when I did find this place.
I am looking info EQ for a run of 18-20 weeks. I already have a standing order with my doctor for a hematacrotosis every 12 weeks. I have already done it once. So I am covered as far as RBC and hematocrit numbers are concerned with this compound. I also understand that it takes 6-8 weeks for EQ to reach full saturation and I wanna know how long it should be front loaded and at how much higher of a dose than what your planned dose is?
Next I have both Prop and E I am not interested in a kicker or a taper. I would like to know how much more effective it would be to achieve lean and dry gains with Prop as opposed to E. I am well established as it pertains to pinning I have 12 active spots that rotate even with long esters. With that said if the gains/results will not be great enough with Prop then I will avoid the ED pinning. Not that I am opposed to it as I have experience with it and don't mind it. I wanna have the best gains I can get.
I have ran both E and P seperately and together. I have tan tren twice and I love it but I need a long break from it as it is harsh on my liver and I am an extreme insomniac and tren makes it worse.
I also plan to run proviron at 50mg daily am/pm split.
I run aromasin at 12.5 and that keeps my estrogen at 37-41.
Bloods will be done pre twice during and post.
As I stated when I started this post I have made mistakes and when I came here I had already been on test for months and months you can read my forum posts and see that I have admitted my mistakes and that I know I didn't take the right advice in the beginning. I trusted the wrong people from the gym. I didn't take the advice of vhmann and black Doug when I first came here and didn't PCT. I stayed on test and cruised at low dose until I ran tren. Then cruised again when I came off it. So I have never came off test. I have been test since June 2013.
I know this taboo and not popular but I made a choice it was wrong and I ignored advice due to the fact that I was ignorant and uneducated and lied to. If I had it to over again I would change it but shit happens. I am 30 and I could have avoided this but I didn't. I was afraid to come off because of all the lies I was told.
That is why there is no PCT protocol involved here.
I am open to all input and want to continue to learn. I realize and accept the fact that some will be very critical of the fact that I never came off.
Thanks in advance guys.
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I don't think there is a need to front load the EQ if you are planning on a 20wk run of it. Just pin it normally and be patient with it. My cycle was 500test e/600 EQ. I noticed the effects of the EQ around 10 wks. The effects are just slow and steady and just about when you are ready to give up on it you look and mirror and its like "damn" the EQ is finally working. I was always worried about the high RBC and BP and being older I didn't want to push the issue by frontloading with EQ. Some people have noticed increased anxiety when frontloading with EQ also. If anything, I would just run your test e/EQ cycle and kick it with test p instead of the EQ. I know you said you are not interested in kicking with prop but I think you'll notice quicker results/effects with the prop banging away right away. No point in running prop instead of test e for the whole cycle. Avoid all that unneccesary pinning. Pin your test e/EQ twice a week and you are all set.
Thanks for the input man. Prop kick is sounding more like a good plan.
Just for the record I know this guy. He's a good lad, look after him
Thanks cat you have helped me so much brother.
have you ever looked into a re-boot? power pct? or you have chosen the trt for life path? i am not understanding what the point of this post is?
are you asking what the most efficient way to gain on test only cycles? or is the question regarding eq? you want to know what the best dose is and how much you need to front load to reach plasma levels as quick as possible?
Point is to seek info on EQ front loading. And if it would be better to run prop or E. I tried to be as thorough as I could.
yeah no worries, i already seen ya pics, you done well and i can see you took cats diet advice.
with the test i would run long esthers, just for the point of pinning, i know your experienced and have 12 spots, but look at your mate, not worth the risk, it only takes one mishap, i would pin your test e or c e3d, with the eq what ever dose you decise to run, you can double that up on your first pin, you can do that twice, dosage wise, me personally i ran my first cycle of eq at 600 a week, stacked with deca and test e, what i done was ran my test higher than both for the first 14 weeks, at week 14 i dropped the deca and upped the eq to 900 untill end of cycle at week 18, i lowered my test to 600 at week 14 also and let the eq do its thing, i timed the test and eq to finish almost at the same time, but let the test run a week longer, the problem with eq is the length, im not trt and over 6 months on gets old.
Thanks man. That helps out a lot. That will help me build the cycle plan. I hope a few more guys out there experience out for comparison.
rustyhooker is experienced with eq bro, he loves the stuff, same with irishmack, they have both run eq as a base and i believe even on its own, wait for rusty to chime in on the eq bro.
RustyhookerWhat's your current stats bro...be honest. Your self prescribed trt dose? Dr keeping your trt in check or just winging it? Goals?
30 6'0 238 15-16%.
200mg/wk as stated in the post. Dr. Knows and checks my bloods from time to time. He also wrote my referral the hematacrotosis mentioned in the post.
Long term goal is back 275 body weight I benched 540 at. But at 10-12% BF. Not the 25+ I was then.
Short term goals 12% BF, to continue to grow in this lifestyle, to continue to learning this platform. To continue to work hard I. My long term goal.
RustyhookerBody fat is foods and energy output. That's the hardest part of everything we do. For sheer mass towards the end goal, you might be better off looking at deca and orals. Classic mass is test deca and dbol or drol. Shorter cycle...time off. ..cycle.
For deca, I'd pm guys like gs9902 or catalyst and ask their input here. Deca would add more mass.
Eq has added nice mass and the gains are solid. The doses can be adjusted with test equal, higher or lower and for me it's not affected sex drive. If anything the added rbc gave a thicker wood...think of vascularity.....
A simple base test eq run can be 600/600. Eq takes til bout week 9 to START booming. So my preference is prop first 4 weeks. For mass you might research tbol as a drier oral. Var is highly anabolic but it kills my appetite which kills the appetite boost eq can give. But ultimately, mass or cut is completely foods.
Calender...12 weeks deca, 14 weeks test or 18 test/eq then back to trt.
Consider all this....I'll be back later. Others will jump in as well.
Not interested in any orals at the moment. I wanna stay dry and lean and I have had liver upsets with anadrol. I am willing to do the mass part slowly over time. I do t expect it all at once. Deca is In The future as well with sust for bulk but not yet.
RustyhookerThen with Dr keeping rbc and estro in check.....
Simple is easy. If you frontload the eq it will kick sooner but be very prepared for back pumps. Use or keep taurine as needed. In emergency, red bull is loaded with taurine. My back pumps hit week 3 middle of work. It sucked! For first time front load, I'd do just 1 week front. I've done 2 weeks and the hit was a lot when pumps started.
1- 1500 eq. Eq only since that's your main push
2-14 750 eq....going this since Dr is watching rbc
2-14 750 test e or cyp. Simple long ester.
FUN PART!!! As noted by flash you can lower test to keep drier. Dr will check your estro so you'll be on point with ai. OR....If your gains are nice and bulking is going well, keep test at 750. Water can be controlled by vitamin c at 500 mg am and 500mg pm. Careful as hard water drops can spike bp. Home monitor your bp morning and night just si you know your reactions. Electrolyte balance will keep things easy
15-18 eq 750
15-18 test e at 750 OR 500 based upon above.
Back to trt doses week 19.
Prop....pinning should be easy for you at given doses. You can prop kick since test will take time as does eq. 100 eod by weight is roughly 500 enanthate a week and a good dose. You'll have to listen to body for ai use as/if needed since prop is fast. Eq isn't much estro issue. Even when fully booming.
Damn that is good. I don't even think I will make a cycle log. That looks like like the exact blue print needed.
Flash just told me you were the EQ expert.
RustyhookerTake into thought what makwa posted up top as well for full scope. Lot to be said for the big picture.
You'll do great! Hope to see updates and see you hit your goals
One last question rusty. How liver toxic is EQ?
RustyhookerIt's not alkylated, like 17aa orals. But on cycle milk thistle is cheap and easy.
I already use NAC and liv 52 is that sufficient or should I add milk thistle?
RustyhookerYou're good. Those are stronger from what I've read.
Yeah I agree. This is what I wanted to see. Some real vets drop there I put and experiences for a comparison.
nice bro!
What is your diet macros? And, do you do cardio? What is your weekly planned dose for EQ? Which esters do you have for EQ? Sounds like you could use both TE and TP in your planned cycle, or maybe sustanon with a TE base. See what other members say. Diet is everything.
Current macros is 460 carbs 320 protein and 80 fat.
Cardio is 4 sessions a week 2 HIiT 18 minutes. and 2 steady state until 250 calls burned.
EQ is long ester dosed at 400mg/ml.
I have no set plan on how many mg/wk at the moment. I also do not want to mix esters at this point. And I wanna save dust for my next bulker. Next year.