posted Thu, 02/09/2012 - 05:13
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Planning my next cycle...
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So I'm part way through PCT from a nice 12 week dbol/test-e cycle. Everything was done the way it was supposed to be... could have done with eating a bit more and being a little less stressed... put on some excellent gains though.
I'm still training at the same frequency and keeping the sleeping/eating patterns up although it's becoming more difficult.
For my next cycle (time off = time on, obviously), I've been hearing that a upping the test-e intake per week (from 500mg, which is what I was on) to 750mg - 1000mg per week with tren at 75mg per day is a great stack.
Anyone tried this out? Did they use an oral kicker?
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DarksideSixIf this is your 4th cycle then you may be ready for Tren. If not then maybe add Deca to your next cycle.
With Tren, you don't wanna run your test too high because you'll be wasting it.
Test Prop/Tren Ace is a very nice cycle!!
Why would you be wasting the test? lol. I always run at least 2:1 (test:tren).
DarksideSixTest and Tren are both highly androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptor but because Tren is 5 times stronger than test it will beat Test to the receptors so you could essentially run about 300mg of test and run the tren at a higher dose or you can continue to run your test at the higher dose and tren lower depending on what your goals are.
We only have so many receptors in our body, roughly, they die off and re grow all the time. Different types of receptors are in specific areas of our body, mostly. androgen, estrogen a shitload of them. Once we fill up the androgen receptor the rest of the medication is wasted, it doesnt do anything.
Since I want the tren gains, dry lean huge vascular gains, I want the tren to attach to more recptors than the test right? its a synergistic effect in one nice formula, and the best one AAS wise.
So running 4-600 tren (i know guys that say the real size gains from tren are up around 7-800mg shooting 100 or so daily) with 300 test is great.
These guys run low dose test with it, just enough for normal activities, we dont need any anabolic or androgenic muscle building effects from it, we have the tren for that.
This will actually leave you less prone to side effects, since high prolactin is usually associated with high estro.
tread-mVery nice point and to add to it, tren sides are usually predicted by volume of test. Lower test lower sides, higher test higher sides in a tren run. So people will back the tren down thinking all the sides are tren related rather than backing down the test which would slow sides as well as give you the larger tren effect. Btw, slow roll on tren, I'm with you. There is no reason to have the mega sides when it is perfectly controllable with good results to boot.
DarksideSixExactly! this is why I always run Ace instead of Tren E, it's a fast esther and if the Tren is too much to handle you can get off and get it out of your sytem very quickly.
Bump, then
This is my 4th cycle of exactly the same thing. I'm 29, about 95kg, low % bf, 6ft, benching, on a good day around 260lbs (120kg). Need anything else, let me know.
Goal is simply to constantly increase mass and lift more than anyone else in the gym... to be brutally honest.
Sticking to test is fine with me. Just had someone raving about tren... thought I'd ask the question. I responded well to test, except getting a bit depressed. Physically though... it was great.
Drop orals and increase test ew?
Too soon for tren, if you really want to try another substance do
500mg Test E 14 weeks
300mg of Deca 12 weeks
dbol 50mg 4 weeks
or do test 12 weeks deca 10 weeks, you just need to run the test 2 weeks longer than the deca, and do a proper pct 2 weeks after last pin!
i did the same cycle above and gained 25lbs
If your getting the results you want from test, then it is a no-brainer bro. You dont need to add anything, just increase the dose by a little if you really need to do something. Test will yield any result you need with proper diet and training. Save the other compounds for the future when you are not growing from the test like you want.
sgtstedankoSTATS!!! Tren for a 2nd cycle!? Dude that's fucking retarded! (Not by birth)
tread-mA little info about you would be really nice, other than that its a guess...and goals?
AnonDrop the tren and stick with the test, maybe play with prop and avoid the orals. If you responded well to test with no sides, then stick with it.