off-season cycle
New to the site, hoping to get some help with my next cycle.
This is my 4th cycle, My first cycle I ran anavar alone, saw some nice results but was young and dumb and didn't run with test or any pct. My second cycle I ran test prop, dbol and anavar. My last cycle I ran test prop anavar and finished with winnie. Each cycle was 8weeks. I'm 6'6 250lbs ~12%bf. I play football and am looking to gain ~15lbs of lean mass with good strength gains. I want the weight gain to be clean and cut so I can keep fast and powerful.
Here's what I'm thinking:
100mg eod Test prop wk1-12
50mg ed Dbol wk1-2
75mg ed Anavar wk 3-12
Hcg 500IU e3d wk 8-12
Adex throughout, I'm sensitive to estrogen sides but don't know what's the best way to run this throughout the cycle
Clomid for PCT. What's a good protocol for this cycle, its longer than my past cycles.
I've also ran HGH 5IU 5on/2off the past 4 months and will stay on through the cycle.
Thanks for the help!
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I did some research and redesigned my cycle and pct a bit, any input from you guys would be great I really wanna get this cycle right.
So I'm an athlete that gets drug tested but have a few months where I won't be tested. This is why I have to stick to the short esters, orals and clomid alone rather than alongside nolva. Again my goals are to gain ~15lbs of clean keep able mass, increase my strength while keeping my speed (my 40yd time etc) and agility.
Here it is:
Wk 1-10 test prop 100mg eod
Wk 3-10 anavar 75mg ed
Wk 1-4 IGF lr3 50mcg 5on/2off post workout and before bed on non workout days
Wk 1-4 ostarine (MK-2866) 20mg ed
Wk 6-10 HCG 500IU e3d or HCGenerate??
Arimidex as needed .25mg e3d
PCT:
Clomid 50,50,25,25
IGF lr3 50mcg 5on/2off 6weeks
Ostarine 20,20,15,15,10,10
DAA 3000mg
Support:
Milk thistle
Fish oil
Liv52
BCAA
Taurine
Glutamine
Arginine
Kre-Akalyn creatine
I've read a lot about igf lr3 and ostarine being great both on cycle and pct so I thought use it at the beginning so I have enough time off to use it for my PCT as well. Thanks for any input!
RustyhookerBad cycle dude. Please click top of screen...forums....ai/pct. Read forums a bit and come back. Folks will help after you research. Your cycles were all sub par for your goals
You always beat me to it! Lol
i'll check out the ai/pct forums but what would you change/add to my cycle to help my goals? i planned on running dbol for first 2 weeks to kickstart the test and i've had good experience with anavar for strength and lean mass gains.
RustyhookerDbol will not be clean and cut for cycle. It's water load. Gives some strength due to waterload but clean gains at 15lbs....I'd go ling estered cycle. Test/eq or test/bold cyp. If you want the initial bsng then kick with prop. Hell, simple test and provi cycle. Eq is my personal fav for clean gains. So....is it winter bulker or more dry gains?
that's what I was thinking rusty, test e with provi !
Another person wanting to run an oral(s) for 12 weeks!?!
What is the reason you are choosing to run orals for 12 weeks? Do you know the possible and likely results of doing this? I'm not trying to put you in a box, but unless you have a solid reason for doing this, you need to cut you orals 4 weeks (if run any at all); and what are you doing for liver support, if you choose to run an oral?
i know dbol is tough on your liver so I'm only running it the first 2 weeks to kickstart the test, but i've had blood work done post cycles after running var 8 weeks and my liver results came back fine. isn't it pretty nontoxic on the liver? I'm going to be running liv50 and milk thistle as liver support.
Anavar is a bit "less toxic", not "non toxic" on the liver. Unless you are an athlete who has to stick to an oral cycle (i.e. fighters not looking to gain weight, etc.), there really isn't a reason to go for more than 4 weeks with an oral. Liver support helps, but you can and will cause liver damage running it that long.
What are your goals here? I don't see a problem with you sticking with your prop and then doing a 3-4 week kicker with the dbol or doing a 4 week finisher with the anavar. How does that sound?
Also, any reason why you're not going with Nolva along with your Clomid, for your PCT?
I use the orals, prop and clomid over nolva because they have a short detection time. I'm an athlete but have a few months where I won't be tested. My goals to add 15lbs of lean mass with good strength gains but keep my speed. What you think if I ran the prop weeks 1-12 and anavar weeks 7-12. I've ran anavar for 6 weeks before with no problems. And then just drop the dbol.
That is a much better plan. I still think 6 is a bit long, but it's up to you. I think you mentioned that you had liver support (liv-52, milk thistle, etc.), which is essential. Get on that early as well.