posted Wed, 03/04/2020 - 23:45
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Lower Dose Tren E with EQ/Test
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Hey guys, just wanted to see if anyone had thoughts on running Tren E at a lower dose like just 200mg/wk along with EQ 300mg/wk and Test E 1,000mg/wk. Also running Dbol at 40mg ED the first few weeks. I can probably get another bottle and go with 400 of Tren E but I know people say to either run test a lot higher or vice versa. EQ and Tren E both 10 weeks, Test E about 12-14 (arimidex throughout).
Thanks!
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How much mast E would u run a week if let's say ur doing Test E 750 a week and Tren E 400mgs a week? And how long would you guys run it? Im 6 foot 275 lb 20 percent bf trying to get to that 250lb number do have clen in stock.also but i really wanted to try masteron for the first time
I'm not a big fan of this cycle. EQ is usually run higher doses and longer. Mast goes far better with tren. Of course you didn't state your goals which would help.
One of my favorite spring/summer is Mast/Test Prop/Tren.
yeah that seems to be a super popular cut stack, i would love to try this summer
I've been dying to try Mast, it was just too pricey to get enough at the moment. size and strength are the goals. was going to be a classic test/deca/dbol cycle at first then a good EQ connection came up and i was given the tren E etc. Thanks for the input though!
SGrace you are getting some premium advice from all these members count yourself lucky bro, they are being very patient with you .
I'm probably one of the more conservative aas users on eroids, in saying that I say this I see no point in using Tren unless you are a Professional no point at all there are other compounds you can use to get similar gains.
EQ I love , its my favorite inject-able outside of Test , personally I like to run Bold Cyp but EQ is just as good it requires a longer than "10 week" run but I'm pretty sure that has been explained to you.
And you could run your Test at half what your OP says and be absolutely fine, I rarely go above 400mg a week . Oh yea and DBOL is fucking garbage , thats right Press1 i said its garbage.
You M'Fuc*er!!
You're lucky Captain Hummel wants you alive cos I'd take pleasure in Guttin you boy .......
rofl , actually kinda scared me bro.
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I know I got some great info and I really appreciate it guys.. I really don't want to even ask you a question since i've been so lucky so far but do you like any orals to kickstart? Tbol I always wanted to try.
One things for sure, my cycle and mainly my PCT plans have changed dramatically.
lol Grace look at all those pics of gear on your profile
Bro your sandbagging all of us, you know full well what your doing why are you playing dumb. Your kissing ass cruising for karma so you can jump on that promo train.
Good luck boss I'm not feeding you anything.
RustyhookerYou mean like when he was mega neg karma? Ya, agree....
What are your goals?
Several things wrong here:
1.) EQ is surprisingly commonly run at lower doses of 300mg/wk. Nothing wrong with that necessarily. But only 10 weeks?....
2.) Why are you wanting to throw Tren E in? What is the purpose? If you have never ran tren before, its a whole different animal. I though I was ready on cycle #3, and got fucked. Straight up fucked. Shitty sleep. Whiny horny bitch. Sweating non stop. Consider the sides before you add it in.
3.) You're slamming 1.5g/wk of gear. Why? Lots of people do. But why do you want to? I get awesome gains still at 500mg/wk Test E.
4.) You need a better plan for your arimidex/AI
5.) MOST IMPORTANTLY, what's your plan post cycle? I dont see anything about a PCT.
Thanks for the response. I think I'm going to do 500-750mg of test and Dbols to start.. maybe save the rest of the gear. i've done tren ace twice and tren E once, never had issues.
yes Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
PCT:
clomid 50mg/30 days
toremaphine for 30 days
N2Generate
Do you have PCT on hand?
I am going to throw in some ideas for your PCT, as I think there could be some minor improvements.
Format is week1/week2/week3/etc.
Clomid: 200/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20
HCG: 3 weeks total. Week 1 overlapping with week of last pins. Week 2 and week 3 take place between cycle and starting clomid/nolva. 250IU/ED or 500IU/EOD are great. Also, really helps get your nuts working again.
Yes, Clomid is being run higher, but with using tren (hypothetical) you will need help.
Also, incorporating HCG will really help (from my experience). It is actually pretty cheap compared to other PCT components.
As far as arimidex goes. I really am opposed to fixed doses. I am more fluid in my arimidex dosing dependent upon estrogen symptoms or better yet bloodwork. For me, 1mg/wk split is enough for 500mg test/wk. Your proposal of .5mg EOD is almost 2X what I would use for 500mg/wk. Obviously you will react differently than me, but it is a good idea to adjust accordingly.
I was going to comment but you nailed it. This cycle is ridiculous in my opinion. I don't see the point in just repeating the reasons why. Regardless, very good response. I can't decide if the gram a week of test E or low dose EQ for only 10 weeks is more ridiculous.
For what it is worth, I actually do not have a problem with the low dose EQ. Moreso a problem with the duration of only 10 weeks. Unless one front loads (which is arguable anyways) EQ wont kick in until week 8 or so. So from there only a few weeks of active EQ.
Also, there is nothing inherently wrong with a gram of Test E. If this guy is a veteran of gear usage, it would make sense. But I doubt he is based on the short EQ duration and low dose tren. Something just seems off. As if there is no confidence in the proposal. I would have more faith in OP if there was some confidence.
The bottom line is we just need more information to justify the proposed cycle.
Yeah, you did a better job than I did summarizing my thoughts. I was talking more about the 10 week duration of EQ. It's just not long enough for that compound regardless of dose.
Also, the gram of test doesn't make sense in the context of this cycle. There just isn't a need for that much.
Your giving him solid info though. If I had enough karma to make a difference I would be throwing you some +1's
Thanks bud. Definitely not doing this for the karma
Just trying to be a good person and give back
and you absolutely are. you're not just making a condescending negative comment on every single post someone makes.
So I was thinking about this. There are a lot of smart asses here on eroids, but they truly are smart!
I think the reason why they can be pricky sometimes is not because they are conceded, but because they see a lot of people making horrible mistakes but are unwilling to listen or take advice. Perhaps they misjudged you.
Regardless, don't take it personally. You will never meet any of these people anyways. People here actually truly care and dont want others to make mistakes that will hinder their health. Well, we are all technically hindering our health, but there are ways to mitigate this.
haha good point and fair enough
appreciate the thought man, I'm a few years experienced, just never used EQ very long. i wanted to go lower tren just as a bonus to the test doing the majority of the work. You're right though, not a veteran and think I should start under a gram of test. I have to be honest i did not know it took around 8 weeks for EQ to really start working.. think i need to double up. maybe save the EQ for another cycle and double the tren as size and strength are my goals for this one.
5'10"
209 lbs right now
around 15% bf
Yeah man, no worries. I don't ever try to bash anyone on here. I had no clue what I was doing at one point. Then I got called out by many of the vets. I am no expert on this.
If you want help, many here are happy to help, including me.
Before we figure out your cycle, lets discuss your PCT. What do you plan to use post cycle? Do you have baseline bloodwork?
REALLY really appreciate it. I get a negative unnecessary comment from at least one person every time I've posted and it makes you not want to.. I get it, some non veterans aren't brilliant thats why i'm glad I asked.
for PCT i've been using:
clomid: 50mg/30 days
toremaphine: 60mg/30 days
N2Generate (5 caps a day)
[arimidex up through two weeks after last shot still 0.5mg EOD]
REPOST FROM ABOVE:
Do you have PCT on hand?
I am going to throw in some ideas for your PCT, as I think there could be some minor improvements.
Format is week1/week2/week3/etc.
Clomid: 200/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20
HCG: 3 weeks total. Week 1 overlapping with last week of pins. Week 2 and week 3 take place between cycle and starting clomid/nolva. 250IU/ED or 500IU/EOD are great. Also, really helps get your nuts working again.
Yes, Clomid is being run higher, but with using tren (hypothetical) you will need help.
Also, incorporating HCG will really help (from my experience). It is actually pretty cheap compared to other PCT components.
As far as arimidex goes. I really am opposed to fixed doses. I am more fluid in my arimidex dosing dependent upon estrogen symptoms or better yet bloodwork. For me, 1mg/wk split is enough for 500mg test/wk. Your proposal of .5mg EOD is almost 2X what I would use for 500mg/wk. Obviously you will react differently than me, but it is a good idea to adjust accordingly.
Thanks man I wrote down that PCT plan and will try it out, I was told the higher doses before weren't necessary of the other stuff but I will give it a try and I've been wanting to try HCG i never have.
Yeah, I have read a lot about PCT and been recommended different PCTs.
My last bloods were 8 weeks post PCT for my last cycle were better than my 8 weeks post PCT for the cycle before. And they were higher than my baseline.
The difference between the two PCTs were the higher clomid dosing and the HCG. Nothing else was different.
where are you go, great advice proper process of elimination.
So now that we have your PCT going in the right direction, let's talk about your cycle.
What do you have in mind?
I've done a lot of compounds but not high doses or for longer than 12 weeks.
I'm thinking:
Test E - 600-750mg wk 1-14
Dbol - 50mg ED wk 1-5
and if I grab more EQ:
Test E - 600mg wk 1-14
EQ - 500mg wk 1-14
Dbol - 50mg ED wk 1-5
Think maybe more EQ might be better than 400mg Tren E a week this time around.
EQ will produce more sustainable gains post-PCT in my opinion and experience. And with fewer sides. I would also recommend running EQ at a minimum of 600mg/wk.
I think the following modifications can be made to benefit your cycle.
Dbol @ 50mg/day: wks 1-4
Test E @ 600mg/wk split: wks 1-16 (you can front load week 1, justifying the reduction in duration of dbol)
EQ @ 600mg/wk split: wks 1-14 (you can front load this first 2 weeks)
I think this would be a solid cycle and will pack on some nice quality muscle, some bomb ass vascularity, and a lot of strength.
Awesome man I think that's exactly what Im going to do.. I'm going to pick up two more bottles of EQ and some updated PCT compounds immediately
So this is great!
The last thing I would recommend is writing up a new post. Many will see the first few comments on this post and skip it.
This post would include your history, goals, diet, cycle, PCT, and any other supplements you plan to take (vitamins, fish oil, liver supps, etc.)
The reason for this is to show eroids that you listened, considered, and rethought your cycle. It will also allow for additional feedback from others. Good luck! It made me happy to be able to help you
truly appreciate all your help man
Nice face, handsome. LE’s gonna be so turned on.
thanks sweetheart
Rustyhookerstats...goals...priors...?
Sounds like you have no clue really
you're right as usual, totally clueless. one rustyyy motherfucker.
RustyhookerI see from above you really just needed someone to hold your hand and spoonfeed ya info.
josipgatesEQ only for 10 weeks and at 300mg per week...something is wrong there haha
I've only done Bold 300 at that dose before and 400mg a week of Bold Cyp. Good call I need to stock up more. Appreciate it.
Why EQ for only 10 weeks?
Why test so high
And what makes you want tren in this cycle.
Is it your first with tren?
No i've actually done tren ace twice and 200mg a week of tren enanthate once before also. I don't know, I was originally going to just do a 1,000mg of test enanthate and then i bought a few other compounds. maybe grab another bottle of EQ and run it longer? I actually got this bottle of tren from a friend that owed me and researched/saw some people like the tren/EQ/test cycle. Lower the test you think if tren is involved? Also I've tried anadrol/Dbol both a few times and I love Dbol to jump start. Thank you, any input I really appreciate, you guys are geniuses with this stuff.
Are you still growing on test alone?
I haven't started everything yet, i've never done JUST test (as i should of on cycle 1, i think i did a small dose of deca with it), I just am in possession of a few compounds I haven't combined. I have done bold cypionate at like 400mg a week with probably 500-600mg of test in my last cycle (winstrol as well). Only times i've used tren its been acetate and test p for 6-7 weeks 300mg each both times.
Just my opinion here.
If it were me I'd map out a solid cycle with one or two compounds I'm used to running together
In this case the test and eq.
Currently I'm on 500 test C and 400 EQ
Just enough eq to control the estro conversion and make me hungry as fuck all day long.
. Then add one I'm wanting to try.
Just so I know where the sides are coming from.
This time i add npp and i can see the difference it makes and i like it.
Will for sure run it again.
In the past I have done what you are proposing
Just kind of willy nilly cause a bro gave me a bottle of this or that. It was a shit show.
My main is be safe and think about the whole picture
Besides hunger what else are you getting out of the 400mg eq
It also knocks my need for an ai. On a 100 mg just test I have to take .5 adex 3 times a week or I'm a bloated mess. On 500 a week it's worse. Add 400 eq and no ai.
If my cycle were max benefits of eq I would run it 600 to 800 and my blood pressure would blow out of control. Along with anxiety....
400 no sides no ai
Hunger for food and 500 test is enough for growth.
Just trying to keep it as simple as I can
Great example of knowing your body