+ 2 Looking to get SHREDDED!! Please advise...
So basically I've just finished my first cycle with good results (you be the judge) and now I'm planning a second one in order to get cut. Of-course applying the time on = time off rule before it begins. Diet will have a small calorie deficit with high protein (ultra clean) and I will be doing cardio ED as well.
Proposed Cycle:
1-8 Test Prop 100-175 mg PW
1-8 Tren ace 350 mg PW
1-6 T3 50mcg ED
My overall goal is not to get as huge as possible, just an aesthetic maintainable size with 6-8 bf. Thats why I'm not trying Deca/EQ first as I don't see the point in getting much past the natural max lbm without blast and cruise. I will be incorporating Clomid, Tamox, HCG, Dostinex and Aromasin as required.
Heres my First cycle results: http://www.eroids.com/pics/first-cycle-before-after-20lb-gain
What are your views on this cycle and do you have any advice for a first time Tren user?
Much Appreciated
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Why the quick jump to Tren? IMO I'd go back to the test c or e and add EQ for a slow steady build and save the tren for down the road when you have a little bit more experience with aas...
I didn't see your age/stats... Are you getting blood work done?
Yep test e with some EQ and you will be set bro. Wait on that tren bro, no need for it right now. EQ will give you nice steady gains with awesome vascularity.
Can I just say something here that just burns me up a little:
Bro, it is so fucking hard to build real muslce it's not about picking this roid over that roid. I just hear kids sayin, "Oh I wouldn't want to get that big." Like it's that easy. If I do a test cycle I will be monstrously hugh where if I use some other compound I will look more like a Greek God. Really? That easy.
It almost makes me feel like a failure everytime I hear some lightweight kid with no gym time say those exact same words.
You're quoting me out of context, I said I wanted a size that would be maintainable naturally if you read on. If you pass that natural max you'd lose it within weeks once you come off. Hence the need for a high dose cruise and a god knows what blast to get monstrously huge, so forgive me for not having the risk appetite to want to get that huge.
Even if I feel getting to that natural max is easy on gear. Heck if the 70mg of test your body produces pw can get you there if you have the patience, don't you think it would be reasonable to think that 1000mg of test pw for example would make it easy?
To make it clear though, I actually dont feel my humble goals are easy. If you read my previous reply to you, I was gonna give it literally everything I had!
Did u quote stats in here yet? I know what's possible with keto diets and Tren cause I've done 'em. So, please tell me where you are at.
I'm not the all knowing Almighty here, but over 1lb a week of pure fat loss with no muscle loss is pushing it that's why I need your current BF, weight, etc.
Stats at about 208 6ft weighed first thing in the morning. Half way through pct so very dry coz of aromasin. Bf I'm not sure, see my after pic I look a little leaner now though...
I'm not gonna cut with keto, can't handle the flatness it gives. Gonna carb cycle, with a min of 50g carbs, low fat high protein. With 500kcal deficit and cardio to do the rest.
The carb cycling IMHO and from experience will defeat your goal completely. If you really want to shred that fat you need to force your body to feed off its own fat. Straight keto will do it. CKD will get you there eventually but not in 8 weeks. You said you would do anything - and already BUT BUT BUT
Cardio is gonna use carbs, you want that cardio to use body fat exclusively.
U can try the keto sticks for verification but over 25 g of carbs is gonna keep u out of ketosis.
Have u ever seen one of us diet for a contest. Flatness is the least. As the show approaches, if u don't feel like utter f**k, u didn't do it right. The more miserable u feel the better u look LMFAO.
Also, not enough fat in your diet is gonna prevent you from losing fat. Read up on gluconeogenesis.
What do you think of CKD, carbs on workout days then switching to full keto after 4 weeks?
You are talking to the MAN! on this subject. Force your body into complete keto - you can get ketostix or better yet, do what I did - invest in a diabetic blood meter with ketosis test strips. I use the nova max Plus meter. It takes a month for your body to go into full ketosis from glycolysis. That's what you absolutely want. Don't you worry at all about being flat - when you lose the fat and carb up you will look great. After you're in full blow ketosis and the fat is dropping off, then you can do some cheat meals and ease into CKD. You just stated it backwards is all. Do you need any links to keto diets? Cycling on keto is tremendous - the fat falls off and you keep your muscle. Perfect. Does it get any better??? Your strength is gonna go down but it is TEMPORARY. I promise.
What's the 8 week bone crushing deadline about? If you don't mind me asking?
Yes sir, I'll do a full keto! Reason for 8 weeks is that I want to eat 100% clean and calculated through the cycle and pct with nil cheats, can't do that for more than 12 weeks.
I just want to give it everything and get amazing results. I want to feel like shit, to feel what a full blown contest prep feels like.
Yes, plz post keto links also what should my calorie targets look like?
Contest prep. I can make you feel far worse than this my friend!!! But, this will give you a flavor of it. When your ready for a show, there are some great guys on here that will get you ready, including me.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-ketogenic-diet - Lyle McDonald - guru
http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/dave-palumbos-ketogenic-diet/ - simple overview
Thanks brah! I'm definitely gonna impliment it when I start the cycle in a few months.
Lol so true.. I just play along with it ir someone says that to me.. yeah bro youll get way to big should prlly just not eat
My advice stay away from Tren especially it's ur 2nd cycle!
No. T3 and tren you need much more experience to use em, especially t3
Saw your other post I hope you are taking your pct and then 12 or 15 weeks off after to let your body recover.. you wanna take the time spent on cycle off as well
Of-course
tren is mentally tough on you it makes you an agry mofof but, you are g2g... diet and cardio is going to make you, i would do it first thing in the morning or post work out.. at least 40min and no more than 1 hr goo luck
well ive seen worse, drop the t3. at least you went for the tren ace first, you have cycle ancillaries and pct, the doses aren't crazy, I don't see a problem with that cycle as long as theres no t3 in it, actually quite sensible, and research shows.
Lol GearHead u make it rain
If u know how to delete comments, don't hold back. I've made a mess!!!!!
Forget the shorts for your 2nd cycle, let's extend it to 12 weeks, drop the Tren and the Prop and add Mast E and Test E.
There is no good long range healthy reason for you to be putting your body through a Tren cycle so early in your AAS career.
Please don't manipulate your Thyroid with T3 - you're inviting a boat load of trouble. I realize I sound like I'm lecturing you but I like to see people succeed and stay safe at the same time.
But bra, I need to be shredded asap! I'm willing to take a beating for just 8 weeks if it'll get me there. I'm willing to efin drop out of my entire social existence to get there! If it means having to do hours of cardio everyday and eat 100% clean I mean everything that enters my mouth weighed to the gram and if its not grilled chicken, fish, or oatmeal it doesn't enter my body. I can do this for just 8 weeks.
I don't know if I'm setting myself up for failure, but I think I can lose maybe 20lbs of fat in roughly 8 weeks with tren. As for Test e, sure its safe but its slow and from my experience a little on the weak side for a rapid transformation. Bra I know I sound like I need to slow down but my time for partying and promiscuity is almost over. I just want to be ripped up while I enjoy my last year as a student. After that its over and I'll be trying to survive in the world of i Banking and try to make something of myself.
As for the T3, I've researched it and read that your thyroid is more resilient that you gonads when it comes to recovery but your right I'd rather not mess with that if more cardio can replace it.
I appreciate your advise to play it safe, but just say you were me, with your AAS knowledge how would you get shredded in the least possible time if you ABSOLUTELY had to while keeping it somewhat safe (without DNP)?
I want to help. I also gotta protect you from hurting yourself. FR if you like so I can better understand what you feel you're up against. I do have some suggestions, but before throwing them back out in the public domain where they belong - I want to talk to you for real.
Get on a diet and work your ass off. You sound like a 15 year old trying to hop on roids real quick before spring break. We don't support that here. Get on a fucking strict diet year round instead of trying to do a quick fix by taking EXTREMELY dangerous compounds. Youre talking tren and t3 for a second cycle bro that's the dumbest fucking thing I ever heard. Its shit like that that gives steroid users a bad rap. And as for "not trying to get get huge" then you shouldnt be fucking with roids at all. Bottom line get on a fucking diet and run 5+ miles a day to get get lean.
Your argument contains redundancies, misunderstandings, misconceptions and misquotes and I feel it is unnecessarily insulting to me and has no place in a 21st century debate. Let break this down...
"Get on a diet and work your ass off"
Thats the plan brah...
"You sound like a 15 year old trying to hop on roids real quick before spring break"
On the surface, maybe, but lets take a deeper look. I said I was gonna be trying to survive in the world of i banking after next year. Which means another 5+ years before the next 'spring break' if want to make it in this economy!
"We don't support that here"
Oh, so you support taking the long possible way so that you can keep the risks at zero?? Imagine Arnold decided to play it super safe, if he did you'd be like "Arnold, who's that?" Don't get me wrong, I'm a firm believer in managing risks but I'm not gonna take a ship to Australia if I can get there quicker with a 747 even though it would be safer.
"EXTREMELY dangerous compounds"
When it comes to the T3, I've already said it was out. As for tren, whats so dangerous about it? Sure I'll probably feel like complete shit while on it but its only for 8 weeks of a short ester at a moderate dose, low test and with every required ancillary incorporated!
"Its shit like that that gives steroid users a bad rap"
This is where I feel insulted. No one ever died taking hormones, not even at doses 5x what I've proposed! If I wanted to hop on DNP or 200mcg T3 ED or having no proper PCT then I would've understood. It makes me wonder why you're doing steroids if you have such a bad opinion about it.
"And as for "not trying to get get huge" then you shouldnt be fucking with roids at all"
Theres a HUGE difference between getting huge as possible (abusing insulin, IGF-1, 5g+ blasts etc) and huge as naturally maintainable at 6-8 bf (which is what I want)! As for shouldn't be efin with roids, its the same reason I ef with a car to get to school/work rather than walking at 2mph in the blazing sun.
"Bottom line get on a fucking diet and run 5+ miles a day to get get lean"
Without roids? I don't want to be skinny, I wanna be ripped!
dude you can lose more than 20 lbs of fat in 8 weeks wiithout t3 or tren LOL.. Unless you have some hormonal issues.. hypothyroid or something you should be able to do it easily.. if it was something like 4 weeks or less I could understand feeling rushed
Although some people would say t3 is safer than DNP because you don't drop dead from it to my knowledge you can fuck your thyroid up and and be stuck taking that shit the rest of your life.. We have a board member who actually needed to have his thyroid removed after t3/t4 abuse and is stuck on that medication for the rest of his life
I suppose what I'm trying to say is you MIGHT not have any issues after and just get fat rebound which is normal when you discontinue t3.. OR become dependent.. But I don't think it's worth the gamble
If you ran test.. maybe mast if your okay with a DHT that potent and a ketosis diet for those 8 weeks with good cardio you'd drop weight like it's nothing.. maybe clen or ECA too.. I'm literally on day 3 of keto prepping for a up coming cycle and my abs are already becoming noticabley more defined.. it's really easy if done right but the carb craving can play mind games with you the first day or two
What's your diet on keto like?
Beef and cheese.. chicken and cheese.. lots of fish too.. it's actually not that bad since I'm a cheese fiend.. If I get bored of anything I just google recipes to play with.. make sure you're getting plenty of healthy fats too.. if I have any carbs it might be a shake in the morning just to get me going but even then I keep it to very little.. I buy ketostix to make sure I'm staying in ketosis.. you can pick them up at the pharmacy cheap.. It usually takes a day before you hit dark purple (large amount of ketones) on the sticks.. Try to keep water high and things moving too 1.5-2 gallons will flush you out then take a sunday to refeed.. Even on your refeed day don't go junk food crazy.. your body is going to soak it up like a sponge.. When you finally make it to the weight you like let your body slowly get used to eating regular food and junk food again.. if you just say "HEY I look great lets go eat two pizzas and drink a case of beer and party our asses off" you're going regain fat a lot faster.. oh and that fat rebound would be a lot worse if you used t3 during your diet
With a decent amount of test say 250mg a week you should keep most of your muscle.. you'll feel like youre losing it from lack of carbs but the second you refeed most of it blows up and comes right back
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Sorry for all the posts - I was experimenting with eroids markup language and every time I did an edit - it would kick out a new comment I can't delete.
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