Looking for advice
Hey all! I appreciate any and all feedback!
So I am looking to run another cycle. My last cycle was Bold Cyp, Test E and Var. The results were astounding and my transformation blew me away. I also had my meals tailored as well as and workouts. Of course it helped that at the time I was dating a female bodybuilder..... I'm looking to run another cycle. I've been wanting to stay away from the pins but I know that I cannot achieve what I did at the time with just orals and 2 orals at a time is a no no. So I am open to suggestions. I'm 32 and 5'9". My last cycle I was at 165, at the end of my cycle I stayed right around the same weight my bf% dropped significantly. Right now I've let myself go a little past where I wanted. I'm back on the meal plans (tweaking and honing in after the holidays) but am sitting at 175. I want to do some sort of lean mass. I want to get a little bigger, but also lean out, so a lean bulk if you will.
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RustyhookerGotta food bulk first bro. Pick your goals.
basskiller89Easy cycle brother
500mg test e or c ew pinning 250mg Mon & Thur
No real need for orals or other compounds here
Listen to the guys about diet becaue that’s how you can lean bulk and possibly even lean out a bit
RustyhookerMy multi forums..... suggest you research before more negs come your way.
basskiller89I’m learning how you guys roll on here
I’m with ya
Age: 31
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 175
and you say he should run 500mg/w , c'mon!
basskiller89I hear you
Sounds like his mind is made up
Food is the clear issue
For sure. I never understood the eating more to lean out thing until I did it. I did 8 hard weeks of dieting and came out with some results that blew my mind away! I was going to keep going but I was put on a less strict meal after that because the person writing my plans said the speed of my results were great but too much and I would be doing damage.
basskiller89Good luck with your cycle
The guys on here can help you dial it in
What are your macros brother? You need to look at them & adjust them accordingly. Throw them up & we can help you;)
I threw one of my plans (one I'm starting Monday) on a reply on this thread. Honestly I have no clue what the macros are. The person writing my plans never gave me numbers. She never used a method for calculating, but she has also been in this sport/lifestyle for so long she understands each portion.
There’s an awesome app called MyFitnessPal
ha, I was waiting for that...
Lol... it’s super easy & let’s you know what macros you need to reach the goal weight you put in
Oh I agree, so I just put all of those meals into the MyFitnessPal and here is what I got:
Calories - 2817g
Carbs - 182g
Fat - 56g
Protein - 351g
Whoa, why such low carbs? There are many ways to do things, but I don’t care for that at all. The protein is overkill and the carbs just aren’t nearly enough. Carbs are your best friend while bulking. The fat is pretty spot on, but I’d almost want to straight up reverse the carbs and protein numbers. Maybe 250 grams max for protein at your weight. I’ve tried the moderate carb, high protein protocol for bulking and it sucks. Glycogen stores are never full enough to be able to perform with the weights like I need to to grow. High, but clean, carbs for bulking all the way. That’s my personal experience.
For this plan I was leaning out. So it wasn't really a lean bulk on that particular one.
Yeah you’re right! That’s a lot of damn protein!
I’m not sure how the hell I could eat that much in one day? 351grams?
Wow!
Yeah, should have been around me. Constant dense fog! haha
Lol! I hear ya, the guys riding to work with me hate it!! Hahaha
Mate you as tall as me, nearly same age and 70 pounds lighter. I was never on really high dosages and reached my actual weight over years of hard work an eating. For sure the gear is helping you to gain but my advice is: EAT , EAT & EAT.
Before you start a new cycle try to work on an optimal meal plan and a right wo routine.
Simply said: What you need aren't roids its EATING MUCH MORE !
I just saw your pic because you stating you were 70 pounds heavier peaked my interest. That is most deff where I would like to see myself with time! Kudo's to the work you have put in!
Greatly appreciated! Exact same thing my ex would always tell me ha, even though she started me on that last cycle!
This is my meal plan starting next week:
WAKE UP AND EAT ½ GRAPEFRUIT PRIOR TO TRAINING
TRAIN/CARDIO: 4 DAYS A WEEK AFTER TRAINING, DO 20 MIN OF INCLINE WALKING OR THE STEPMILL. BE SURE TO GET YOUR HEART RATE UP
MEAL ONE: 10 EGG WHITES
2/3 C AVOCADO
2/3 C DICED BELL PEPPERS
MEAL TWO: 8oz CHICKEN OR ALL WHITE TURKEY
6 LARGE BRUSSEL SPROUTS
MEAL THREE: DRINK A 50g LOW FAT, LOW CARB SHAKE
1/2 GRAPEFRUIT
MEAL FOUR: 8oz FLANK OR SALMON
1.5 C BROWN RICE
2 tsp HONEY
MEAL FIVE: 6oz TUNA
4 T HUMMUS
2/3 C ROASTED RED PEPPER
MEAL SIX: 8-10 EGG WHITES
1 C SPINACH, ONION, MUSHROOM
add a few whole eggs to meal 1 and increase your carbs. why so less meat and no red meat?
Does this plan look better? It is most deff a huge step up in calories, carbs, ect. It was a plan after my major lean out. See I'm torn, do I lean bulk, or do I just get bigger.... So torn lol
DO ONE OF THE FOLLOWING 45 MIN PRIOR TO TRAINING:
1) SMOOTHIE: 2 CUP FRUIT OF YOUR CHOICE + SOME ALMOND MILK
OR
DRINK 8 OZ ORANGE JUICE AND EAT 2 PLAIN RICE CAKES
TRAIN
2) MAKE 2 BREAKFAST BURRITOS:
10 EGG WHITES
4 SLICES OF TURKEY BACON OR SAUSAGE (OR 2 BACON OR SAUSAGE + ¼ CUP CHEESE)
2 TABLESPOON REFIRED BEANS (OR ¼ CUP BLACK BEANS)
2-4 TABLESPOONS SALSA
2 FLOUR TORTILLAS
3) 8 OZ SALMON
TOSS TOGETHER:
1 -1.5 CUP QUINOA
½ CUP DIED RED & YELLOW PEPPER
1 TEASPOON RED ONION
¼ CUP RAISINS
10 ALMONDS
CILANTRO , IF DESIRED
DASH OR TWO OF BALSAMIC VINEGAR
4) 8 OZ CHICKEN
1.5 – 2 CUPS OF PASTA TOSSED IN 1 TABLESPOON PESTO
1 CUP STEAMED BROCCOLI (OR 1 CUP RAW ZUCCHINI)
DASH OF BALSAMIC VINEGAR IF DESIRED
5) 6 OZ TUNA
2 PLAIN RICE CAKES
1 CUP PLAIN GREEK YOGURT
1 CUP STRAWBERRIES
½ CUP BLUEBERRIES
6) 8-10 OZ LEAN BEEF OR BISON
6 SMALL RED SKIN POTATOES OR 1 -1.5 CUPS OF JASMINE RICE
1 APPLE
7) SHAKE:
10 OZ WHOLE MILK
50 GRAM PROTEIN POWDER
This plan's macros are as follows:
Calories - 4,460g
Carbs - 511g
Fats - 94g
Protein - 406g
Oh I didn’t read down this far. Honestly, I don’t think you’re going to like how this goes. That’s a pretty high daily intake. I’m currently bulking, I’m almost 50 lbs heavier than you, and I’m only eating about 4,100 cals a day, slowly adding to the scale every week but staying decently lean. Instead of thinking of your diet like it’s a cycle, I like to think of it as a lifestyle. Slow and steady. Instead of trying to add crazy amounts of size every week, how about set reasonable goals, like a pound a week. The gains will be slower but they’ll be A) sustainable and B) maintainable. Remember the old cliche: this is a marathon, not a sprint.
Again, I’ve been in your shoes. The highest I ever went calories wise was 6,500 a day for about a month. I hated it. Hated, hated, hated it. Hated the way it made me feel, hated the food bill, hated the results. I got bloated and felt like shit. Slow and steady gains. Slow and steady. That’s the key to longevity.
Oh, and for the record, I’d do this before running another cycle if I were you.
ha yeah I'm getting used to this forum still. Didn't realize it replies to the spot where you hit reply. For being in IT you think I would have figured that out sooner!
I mean I leaned out, like way leaned out (see my profile pic) and after I went into a lean bulk meal wise and started adding more to my meals every three weeks. This was on my final stretch before I, well before I went to pizza, beer and was taking some time off from the meal prep every single week. The problem is I faded into that hole. You know, oh it's a cheat meal I'm bulking......and just now was like oh wait I'm back where I was before I went to shred mode. I honestly loved this meal plan, it was my favorite food wise and was so yummy!
And I'll like how anything goes, because I appreciate the advice from everyone! I'm a sponge, I want to learn, I want to soak it all in! Can't be offended on this side!!
That look a lot better bro!! Don’t be afraid of a peanut butter & jelly sandwich or a pop tart to add some quick calories or carbs!! This would be way better for your goals brother. The protein is prolly too high for your weight bro....
Perfect! I'll evaluate this plan and adjust the protein. Thanks!
This looks to be a lot better meal plan. You can always adjust your macros up and down if your not gaining or gaining to much. At those macros and your weight you should easily put on weight without gear. I would do this for a at least 6-8 wks get some weight on then use some gear if you want test at5-600 a week would do wonders for you given that you put some weight on and have something to work with and then use diet to cut weight
Perfect! I like the plan of bulking up on the food, then going to a cut. Thanks for your advice!
I can deff add more whole eggs.
The plans always had at least Flank (like that one) but seemed to be more fish related, like the tuna, roughy.
Good advice:))
100% spot on as usual!