In need of Cycle Advice Classic Bulker
Doing a 12 week classic bulker
Test/Deca/Dbol
Week 1-4 UGL Dbol 30-40mgs a day split 3X a day
Week 1-12 Aburaihan Test E 500mg/ml a week
Week 1-10 Organon Deca 300mg/ml a week
24yo
175lbs
6'0
9-10% body fat
This would be my 3rd cycle
Have a couple of questions and wondering if some bros can chime in.
How to dose the Deca. Organon Deca comes in 100mg/ml. I usually pin every fourth day. Monday and Tuesday. Next week. Tuesday and Friday. Etc. trying to keep it a consistent as possible. so if possible i want to get 150mg/ml every time I pin. Was wondering if i should pop open a vial of Deca and take out like .2 of a ml to get to the 300 a week level.
Is HCG necessary for this cycle. Would it help keep my gains? Have a couple of vials. is it better to take after the 4th week and beyond or towards the end of my cycle?
Is caber or prami necessary? its a low dose of Deca from what Im told
Dirty bulk vs Clean bulk? i know this has been asked a lot of times. like beating a dead horse. Reason Im contemplating on just eating whatever I can is because im the poster boy for having an extremely fast metabolism (I can out eat my cousin thats 300lbs, tear up the buffet). Was 125 when i was in HS. Worked out for 4-5yrs switch up my workouts every 1-2 months. It is just extremely difficult to gain weight. I went up to 184 this past cycle eating pretty decently on test/dbol. But after so many years of bulking I decided to cut down after this cycle to see how Id look like. I ate right, upped my cardio, etc. It is extremely easy for me to cut down. too damn easy. I feel really small right now. I really dont like it. My goal is to go up to 200lbs and be able to keep my weight around 185-190lbs after pct but somewhat cut up. I want to know yalls opinion on this. I know Deca is calorie dependent. So eat whatever I can get my hands on. Or eat right but bigger amounts. as im sure my appetite will be up.
Thanks bros
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I think the EQ cycle cdaddy7 layed out looks great! Definitely some nice gains can be had. There's just one thing thats buggin me, how are you only 6'0 175lb for 3 cycles in??? Your diet must be off.
Read this!
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
Just remember, does not matter how many compounds you take, if you don't put in the work in the kitchen, you won't be seeing that 200lb mark very soon.
It always amazes me how many of my mates ask me for cycles and how to run compound x with compound y, but NOT ONE has EVER asked me for advice on a diet..
Just a little something to consider..
Thanks for the reply bro. I do consume about 4500-6k calories a day. But seem to still have trouble putting on weight. albeit its not clean calories I do eat a lot... if i start eating my egg whites, turkey, lean meats, fish, etc I start to lose weight. Only way I can usually put on weight is by eating big fatass potatoes with brisket and sausage with all the fixins
hmmm yall might change my mind on the Deca. would like to see someone supporting Deca though lol
zewiI'll support Deca for you(even though i like eq better than deca)
Deca will hit you harder and you will put on more weight faster(some water). Its great for the joints, and it has it place. Were you can take Deca for 10 weeks were you have to take EQ for 16.
Deca you can take at lower dosage and get great results deca 300mg a week is fine--Were EQ usally has to be 600mg a week. However, the overall product in my mind--you will look better from a EQ cycle than a Deca cycle.---However, it depends on your goals, are you just trying to grow and get big---or are you trying to look lean and still grow..
However, i dont mind taking a longer cycle, when i don't have to worry about sides--and i will be more leaner on EQ than Deca.
I dont mind looking a little pudgy. Its gonna be winter soon anyways. I dont mind sacrificing looking lean for the overall goal to be a little bigger. Can you eat dirty on Eq? I heard Eq makes you eat like a horse. I already consume monster amounts of food.
cdaddy7Diet time dman...... You need to read this
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
zewiEQ makes you eat like a fucking champ..
"Can you eat dirty on Eq" IMO you should never eat dirty on any cycle if you want to maximize your goals.
cdaddy7Come to the Equipoise side of the force.......know its power and greatness...LOOK AT THIS CYCLE
Week 1-4 Dbol @50mg/day (Day1-5 @25mg/day) Use liver supps while running
Week 1-16 TEST E @ 500mg/wk split doses
Week 1-14 EQ @ 600mg/wk split doses
Arimidex .25mg e3d or Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
Start PCT 15 days after last shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Its what you want and need.........
damn that does sound tempting. Not looking forward to the bloat from the Deca. have another question for you brother. Do you need an AI if youre not prone to Estro sides? or is it just in case situation.
zewiremember--Deca helps on that conversion of test to estor. Eq does not.
cdaddy7Show him the light Z!!!!
zewiWe will turn this young Padawan.
cdaddy7Always run Aromasin or Arimidex on cyle bro it will optimize your gains and take care of the estro issue...Letro is the "nuclear bomb" AI, super strong!!!...We only use it when the gyno flares and no resolve with other AI...Caber is on hand too, like Letro, but is used for 19nor like tren and deca
cdaddy7Your cycle looks good except for I'm an EQ man and don't care muchfor deca in any form. If u want to go with EQ I got a cycle that would yield just as well as deca without the sides....Now, if u choose deca you need caber and letro on deck before u start you cycle.....those are emergency ancillary, a must have like a fire extinguisher.....u need to have it but may not have to use it....you need an AI like arimidex to run at .25mg e3d. OR my fav, aromasin 12.5mg every other day....you will need the AI with the dbol on board....I would up the Dbol to 50 mg/day, first start with 25mg for the first 5 days and see how ur body reacts then tweak it up....u will need lig52 and milk thistle to take along with the dbol for liver protection....make sure you start your AI no later than week 3...I would start it earlier bc of the Dbol......make sure u have a proper PCT...... Nolvadex and Clomid are both necessary.....It should look like this:
15 days after last test injection the PCT begins
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Personally, I wouldn't run HCG with this cycle bc 1) It's not long and not high dose; 2) the deca is going to be helping that test quickly turn into Estro so adding HCG is upping the estro statistics probability....thats another reason to consider Equipoise
I have a pct lined up nolva 20/20/10/10. Clomid 100/50/50/25 150 for the first couple of days. Also have Proviron and Adex. Although the Adex i dont really trust the source I got it from. so might re-up on that or probably look for aromasin like u said. I think I have my heart set on the Deca. Gotta try everything once. Ive tried dbol once and didnt see that many sides except for the bloat and the bad back pumps so not sure if the estro really effects me to a pt where i need an AI. Although I do want to try Equipose but heard that you have to run it for 14+ weeks to start seeing its effects. More than likely my next cycle will be test Eq with var. Thanks for the advice brother!
cdaddy7Up that Nolva to 40/40/20/20. Nolva plays a huge part in LH production
X2 my man!
I'm planning on running EQ for my next cycle.
I've written out a few pointers below which you will find useful;
While using 19-nor-progesterone compounds, AI's use during the cycle is mandatory. AI's such as Aromasin or Arimidex should be used alongside Letrozole or Cabergoline.
Caber or letro would be used in addition to an AI (such as asin/adex - caber and letro are also AI's but are much stronger variants). An AI controls the estrogen production and caber is an anti-prolactin used for 19 nor-progesterone compounds such as npp, tren or in this case deca.
The idea is to have either asin/adex on hand as an AI during the cycle and if sides appear from the 19-nor-progesterone compound, the user would then incorporate a stronger aromatise inhibitor such as caber/letro.
Caber standard protocol is 0.25mg E3D
Deca is generally ran at a 2:1 ratio of test:deca respectively
Also, if you plan on running deca, i would consider the use of proviron.
Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).
However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen levels under control in the male body (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro)) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.
Bodybuilders use proviron for four main reasons outlined below:
1) As a result of proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. Therefore, due to the increased strength (in comparison to testosterone) in its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes, it prevents estrogen build-up.
2) As previously mentioned, proviron increases the amount of free testosterone in the male human body. This is a very important point to consider, since approximately ~98% of testosterone is bound to the sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus, since it is bound to the SHBG it is not free testosterone any more and therefore cannot be used to build muscle.
3) As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option (proviron has been named as an oral masteron - this topic is debateable). The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, thus decreasing water retention.
4) Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence and helps a males sex-drive upto a certain point. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.
A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.
To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.
Reference: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...sho...
Thanks bro, read the article. considering the Proviron. Do you know if it can speed up hair loss since its a DHT derivative
IMO, it doesn't prevent hair loss, however it may speed it up - and DHT blockers generally don't work.
zewiX2 i agree. """"Personally, I wouldn't run HCG with this cycle bc 1) It's not long and not high dose; 2) the deca is going to be helping that test quickly turn into Estro so adding HCG is upping the estro statistics probability....thats another reason to consider Equipoise""""""""
Coudn't agree more...
Go read these two on HGH
http://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/veteran-hgh-users-experien...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/a-basic-guide-to-human-gro...
Thanks bro. HGH is far from my list. At least this pt in my bodybuilding life.
cdaddy7