posted Tue, 08/27/2013 - 17:19
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Im using pro hormones but want to do a cycle, is it safe?
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Im currently using a pro hormone of tren.Its my first time. Its good and Im seeing some changes. This is my 2nd week and I feel like if I m using this stuff I might as well go for the "real" thing. My question to you guys is this: Can I begin a cycle of test E while still on the pro hormone or can I stop the pro hor and go straight into the cycle.
My Stats: 41yrs
6'4
275
18% bf
bench 505lb deadlift 505, squat 615( on a good day),
Been training for 25 years. Strong as a f*ck but looking to lean down and take it to the next level. I was thinking of doing
week1-14-test e
week 3-14 anavar
week 3-14 an AI
finishing up with a comid pct
Any advise?
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Thank you!!! Much needed advice. I hate that run down feeling of dieting but its a necessary evil.
Keep your first cycle simple. First, drop the PH. As said below run a basic test cycle at 500mg per week for 12the weeks. Split the dose at two shots a week. Research your aromatase inhibitor but Triceps recommendation is a solid start. Wait two weeks after your last shot before you start Pct of Nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50. Save the Var for another cycle. At 18% bf you will not notice any visual affects. You really need to be below 10% to notice visually. Now on the leaning down. Its all diet!! Read Vikings sticky in the general talk form on getting ripped. Basically cut out all carbs after 2pm. Stick to this for full cycle and you will not believe your eyes ant the end. GOOD LUCK. shoot a PM if needed.
Much Thanks fellas!!! I think Im gonna grab some test e. Im looking to lean down and get more vascular. Will the test e do that alone? I was gonna do some var just to help with the stomach ( im all chicken breast and tuna fished out.) Young Triceps98 you think its a bad idea?
lean down a bit or you might experience more side effects
Var is very mild as far as side effects go. So I don't see a problem with taking it. But the key is sticking to a good diet. Var works much better when the diet is on point.
You can cut on test e as well. Keep the water retention low with proper AI and have a solid cardio regime, I don't see why you can't cut on just test e.
i remember reading about the tren ph, it only converts about 25% at best
the worse gyno i have ever seen came from PH even at 25% conversion if hes putting in 100-150mg a day that still more than enough to cause prolactin sides and more, with fresh receptors
noooo, i was just trying to say how much crap the tren ph are lol. ive actually ran it before at 120mg a day and didnt have prolactin issues
you should have been running test before starting the ph, yes start the test, drop the ph. get your ai, get some caber, your first time will be 10-12 weeks dosed at 500mgs a week so 2mls. pct will nolvadex and clomid.
caber? he doesn't need any caber. adex or aromasin yes but not caber.
he does mate!! tren is tren! and the prohormone to tren does the same as any tren! ive been there! he will need it!
He said he's running the ph version of tren if this is accurate in anyway he should be on an anti prolactin
I honestly skimmed right over that. Saw the word prohormone didn't see tren.
pro ho's are worse than the basic steroids on your body IMO. most are methylated and extremely toxic to the liver.
assuming this would be your first "cycle" i think you'll be happy with the basic
TEST E cycle
consists of
500mg wk 1-12 of test e
If your deadset on var
use it as a finisher, minimum 6 weeks for best results
VAR-weeks 6-12 at 60mgs/day should be a good start point.
Aromasin 12.5mg ED or Adex at .5mg or 1mg eod ALL THE WAY THROUGH CYCLE AND PCT. (going to have to gauge your response the AI though and manipulate the dose thats best for you
pct consists of (2 weeks after your last shot of test e)
Clomid at 100/100/50/50 (some report clomid affecting eyesight i believe so you could also do
100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
x2, great answer.