Humility...I need some help :)
Okay...so I will admit that I don't know it all...and I need to refresh some humility in my life. It's good for the soul, mind and body.
Well, I have been planning this primo cycle here for March 23rd-ish(start date). I have some issues/thoughts troubling me...as this is quite a different cycle than I have ever ran before. This will be my fourth...but really my third proper cycle (2nd since becoming a member here). I am used to test/oral and test/deca cycles. So, high test and lower 'other' compounds. Now this one will be low test and high primo with some var at the end. Here it is so far:
Wk. 1-16 600mg/wk. Primo E
Wk. 1-16 Sust 250mg(or 300)/wk.
Wk. 10-16 Var 80mg ED
*I also have some Primo ace(inj.) and lots of prop...was thinking of adding a 'kick' of:
Wk. 1-6(?) Primo ace 100mg EOD
Wk. 1-6(?) Test P 50mg EOD
PCT will start 21 days after last sust pin, taper with prop.
So my questions are:
1.) Should I frontload the primo E? Anyone ever do that?
2.) I never ran var...and maybe I am fabricating this thought, but I thought I remember reading something like running it up until PCT? Like start wk. 13 to 19?
3.) I am usually pretty good with workout routines and intensity on cycle, but how should I approach this one...just in simple terms/ideals, I don't need a plan/layout. A sentence or two of explanation will do just fine, I will understand, lol. I'm just used to pounding the weights...all power-building style, and I have an idea that that just won't work here. It's going to be hard for me to lift lighter, lol.
I think we'll start there...I hope some experienced vets respond. Wish I could be part of the advanced section to ask this stuff...but that ain't gonna happen right now. If you have no idea about these compounds and cycles, then please don't respond. And I mean that in a kind way, no disrespect. Thanks.
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Are you competing? Or just getn shredded up for personal reasons?
More personal than anything...something different. I have put on over 30 lbs. in a year...and 95% of that is lean mass, lol. Just thought I would try cutting for once, and try to keep as much mass and strength as possible. Oh, and looking for a dime-piece...been single too long, LOL.
Haha hell ya! Get that dime homie! After this you will have to push em away with a stick you will have so many lol. Oy reason I asked is IMO winni does a much better job on drying people up and lean mass than anavar but if your not getn on stage anavar will do a mighty fine job with this stack! Just my 2 cents tho.
Better with var than winny when on primo bro.. primo brings zero water retention so joints and tendons are dryer than normal.. adding winny can be fatal and can bring crucifying pain to joints .. if you cant pump your arms you cant blast the vascularity out.
I like running primo with winny but as usual you are right. So I through in a low dose of NPP just for lubrication. It works every time.
I was thinking of having some NPP around just for this thought...as I was driving to work this morning, lol. I have joint issues as it is, and running primo and var might irritate things a lil? Whatcha think?
100mg/w works for me. Try it out what do you have to loose, worse case is it doesn't work.
LOL..so how to inject that? 4X/wk....25mL? Or twice might work since ester is 4.5 days?
Twice a week is fine @ 50mg each. Remember we aren't using it as part of a cycle so keeping plasma levels as even as possible is not the goal here. We are looking for the lubrication effects only.
Yeah, I get that...makes sense only twice/wk. Right after I wrote that I thought 2X/wk. seemed pretty obvious, lol.
Very true sir! That's why i look up to you for advice
Man...winny is the worst, lol. Ran it with just test before...WHOOO-EEEEE!!! My joints were crushed. I had such a hard time benching. Ever again...I will run it with NPP.
Damn it does dryly the skin out but that's not the only thing :( var is pretty good especially with quality var at that. Skin splitting pumps strength gains for what your doing it is perfect.
Nothing wrong with cycle bro but whats your BF% right now just for my curiosity with you saying "all power building style"" so far it would be ideal to be 10% or under to get the best from primo and var, if you are not there maybe hold cycle off untill you are to save wasting the two most expensive compounds out there.
Ok, I am glad you replied...was lookin' for ya, Vike!! Well, I just started cutting down recently...adjusting my carbs and such. Currently, my BF is around 11-12%...I know I said I do 'power-building' workouts, but I am strict with my diet year round. I lift like that just for the strength(not for the size)...but I like to try my hardest at keeping my strength. In the winter(right now), I tend to cheat more...hence the possible 12%. I still have some veinage poppin around my waistline...so it can't be that high. I do need to measure again with calipers. I know the 10% suggestion/ideal/whatever you wanna call it. I got my BF down to around 8.5% in about 60 days late spring/early summer last year from the point that I am at now, so I figured with some more dedication to cardio and I shouldn't have a problem.
Sounds good bro .. you know the script were diet is concerned!.. i say go for this cycle "but" if you are hard and lean on the closing few weeks.. DO NOT run the prop taper so as to be sure you dont cloud the superb finish that primo brings.. check out some of suzy Bs comp pics bro.. thats a classic primo hard mettallic look with striations and veins busting out all over the shop.
No prop taper, eh?...ok. I just get so scared of coming to PCT and that crash, lol. I have ran one cycle without a taper and I hated it...and that was my first, kind of a disaster anyway. Don't even wanna talk about it. I came back for more and fixed my mistakes, that's what really matters ;-P
I have seen some of Suzy's pics before...she is shredded, that's pretty much what I am looking for. I know that Arnie was supposedly a fan(not to be cliche), but if I wanna look like a bodybuilder...then I wanna look like one from the 70's Gold's Gym era...with that aesthetics Greek god statuesque appearance, that to me is how Mike Mentzer, Arnie and Zane looked.
The crash wont be too bad bro.. another reason i said no taper is i noticed you are running sustanon has your T base... thats good with primo due to being the lowest water adding form of test,also it will self taper into PCT so no worries there.... if you must use prop taper just hit 50mg every two days or so, but i truely think you will be ok without it.
AnonThats right it would be a shame to waste that expensive primo... because it is my understanding that it is similar to winny in this aspect...need to be at 10% for best results
Anonnot a bad cycle at all.... i would front load the primo if it were me for sure and anavar has a half life of 8hrs so i would run it up to pct but jus b e careful cuz thats a lot of weeks but var is the safest oral....i think youll be fine..... may be good to bump up primo the last four weeks of cycle too
front load, ok. Might need another vial of the E, lol. See, alrite..now you are saying run the var like that...kinda end/post-cycle. Decisions...that's why I decided to post this, I like a variety of ideas/opinions.
Anonhonestly in MY opinion you can go either way and this will be a good cycle.....jus have bf @10-11% and you should see great results
yeah, still have some fine tuning to do...compound use/dosage and some body comp. your advice is much appreciated.
AnonNot a problem....if you need to talk more you know where to find me
Logan is a good man to talk on primo.