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Hello all
My brief story: I am an x college football player whose lifted my whole life. i developed sciatica and My 3 lumbar decompressions really did me in. Now not to much sciatica just back ache and always worn out. Still at the gym 4-5 days a week but lots of stretching yoga stuff and lighter weights. No squats dead lifting or Olympic lifting for me anymore. Anyway I feel in a slump always worn out ( I do work long hard hours) but always achy in the back. Considering AAS to try and get out of this slump. Long story sorry but looking forward to learning here.
Things I have done already
1) diet mod
2) compressive multi vitamin
3) bcaa's, glutamine and creatine
Considering the following cycle and pct
Weeks 1-12: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week split twice weekly
Weeks 1-4 Tbol 25mg ED
Weeks 3-12: 0.5mg of Adex E3D
Weeks 8-12: 500iu's of HCG per week 250 same day as each test
PCT start week 15
Week 15&16 aromasin 6.25 EoD
Week 15&16: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
100mg Clomid
Week 17&18: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
50 mg clomid
Any thoughts or comments?
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So thanks everyone for the advice. Gear is all in. Just hit the first Pin. No probs. Should be an interesting 3 months. I should mention that I did order cycle assist with the NAC and Milk thistle to use with the Tbol for liver. Do most people use something like this?
For only a 12 week cycle I'd hold off on the hcg until after cycle. 250iu e3d for 12 days along with the aromasin (so weeks 13 and 14), then 4 days later start your posted pct. Tbol should be ran a little longer, 6 or 8 weeks and a higher dose, like 50 ed. Don't start the adex week 1, start week 3 unless your nips get itchy.
hey man, your stats are close to mine. I can tell you my experience. I am half way through my cycle and it has been a great one. I ran Test E 800 mg split with Tbol kicker. At 6 weeks through, I had dropped 1-2 %bf and stayed the same weight. That means I gained some good muscle with min water. Cals were slightlt below maintanence. Energy stayed good. I think you'll do well with that you can maybe even bump slightly to 600mg, but 5 is good if it is your 1st go.
simple test cycles can drop BF is done right. good luck
Thanks man. I just ordered my gear and wound up getting some Tbol for the first 4 weeks. after reading around and thinking it over I said why not?
i generally prefer tbol at the end of a cycle
I prefer Tbol over Dbol. It causes less water. gains are not as quick but they are quality and good strength too. also not sure what doses you got of Tbol, but I had 10mg tabs. I ran it at 60 mg divided. I would suggest you go 50mg instead of 25mg. I believe the good range is b/w 40-60mg
Thanks for post. I got 50 mg tabs.
Your cycle and PCT look great. And, run adex like j223 says. Research exemestane for future reference and knowledge of killing estrogen rather than displacing, or inhibiting it. It is optional, but you could hold off on the hCG until you run a cycle with a 19-nor compound. If you have medical background then be careful, listen to your body, and start out with light weight.
start adex week 3 and dose it E3D (every 3 days) instead of eod
pct starts week 15
but as for when to start PCT i should just wait two weeks after last pinning right?
Thanks for the input. Why should it be run that way?
because adex has a long half life. if you get high estrogen use the same dose but do it every other day.
Hi, I don't know much about sciatica but I'm assuming you can't lift properly at the moment due to nerve pain? If so steroids are not going to sort this out. Test can dull pain and you could risk further injury by trying to lift more weight than your body can really do at the moment. If I'm wrong, give me a shout but I don't think steroids are your way forward right now.
No sciatica now just back achy and some back pain.
Ok, is the pain muscular or a trapped nerve pain? Just curious as to what you think steroids are going to improve in your situation. Not trying to sound like I'm being a dick, just don't want to start giving you cycle advise and then you go and destroy your back for life by going for the bigger lifts because of the increased aggression you get.
I believe the pain myofascial secondary to multiple surgical incisions in my lumbar musculature and that I now have generalized overall lac of muscle tone development. At one point I was in a magazine and now It's rediculous. I am not going to huge mass or big lifts. I want to Gain overall increases muscularity, cut fat and improve the support for my lumbar spine. I don't think your a dick. Your questions are very valid.
Ok, I'm a little out of my depth here with the first bit but basically you want to use steroids to increase your core strength and increase your muscle tone because you want to get back some of what you lost?
I totally understand where your coming from. I'd be thinking the same thing.
You must have some medical guidance as to what exercises you can or can't do. Can you train and not further injure yourself?
I might have to tap out here due to lack of knowledge about you injuries and I think you should wait for somebody who has had a problem like yours to chime in.
I really wish you all the best in getting yourself back to fitness.
Thanks for your input! Much appreciated. I have a medical background so I have some understanding of how not to hurt myself. Overall I just have to use lighter weight higher reps and avoid certain lifts like anything that significantly loads the spine axially, isolate lower back exercises or overdoes hamstrings
Well I dont see any clomid on there... PCT SOP states that PCT should begin after the test E is out of your system.
.5 arimidex may be a lil to much.(for me) I used .3 e3d and that was my sweet spot. Never showed sides from higher test
AI should be used as long as the cycle with PCT in my eyes. test E has a longer halflife than just when u pin it. You may get astro rebound if you stop taking it.
SOme people think HCG is not basic cycle protocol. It's all up to you brother. Ask around
Thanks bro I know I was missing something. Added the Clomid.
Also on the AI someone is sayin to use as follows
Aromasin 6.25mg EOD for the 1st 14days of PCT and stop
From what I understand aromasin irreversibly inhibits receptor enzyme unlike other compounds that are competitive inhibitors and can be reversed. This the shorter dosage period.
Regarding Hcg, fron what i read and think i understand is those doses during cycle help restart the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis and gets you back to a "happy place" sooner than if not used. Is the reason people don't rec for the 1st cycle just to make things simpler?