First cycle (orals)
Hey guys! After a lot of research I finally decided to do my first cycle. As most newbs, I'm not sure I want to inject (yet). I decided to go with orals. My goals are to grow the chest and back out a bit, but also modest gains elsewhere. I know I won't come out looking like Arnie here, so I'm trying to be realistic about what to expect. Stats:
Age: 24
Height: 5'10
Weight: 173 lbs
Body Fat: 17%
I've been working out naturally for the past two years and have slowly dropped from ~220 lbs to where I am now. I eat healthy and do cardio (run) every other day, or at least every two days.
Originally planned to do Anavar for safety reasons, but that is expensive and hard to find in stock, so I went with dbol instead. I also scored a good deal on some Andriol. I know, Andriol is mostly a waste of time, but it's also a seemingly safe oral and I happen to have lots of it. I want to use it to throw at least some test in there, however insignificant amount of which it will provide. Also, I'll be doing a fairly short cycle (5 weeks) as this will be my first. Here's what I'm planning:
1-5: Dbol 20-25 mg
1-5: Andriol 180 mg
1-5: Arimidex 0.25/0.5 mg
6-9: (PCT) Clomid 50/50/25
Here's my reasoning behind why I chose these:
Dbol-only cycles I know are a bit controversial, but I have read a lot about people achieving great results with proper diet and PCT. Plus, as I mentioned, I want to go oral only my first time. I want to combine dbol with arimidex, the latter being for anti-e protection (anti-gyno!) during the cycle and to reduce some of the water retention. Clomid will be administered in PCT to counteract effects of both dbol and arimidex while the body figures out what it's doing. I have plenty of Clomid, Arimidex and Dbol on hand to increase the dosage of either if needed. During the whole thing I will be eating a lot of animal/whey protein (about 200 grams a day), lots of greens, complex carbs and will be juicing fruits/veggies for vitamins. I'm aware my bf is a bit high, I will do my best to counteract with solid diet.
What do you guys think? I would like to add ~10 lbs of keepable muscle. Reasonable? Any advice is appreciated, as I will start in about two weeks (after all the halloween heavy drinking).
PS: no alcohol on cycle or during PCT, but I will be drinking coffee
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5wk dbol/drol cycle will be KILLER on the liver bro... and a "keepable" 10 lbs on a 5 wk dbol cycle... Ambitious at best but unlikely bro... (IMO) I would keep the burn going and get the BF down (thermogenic maybe?) before considering a cycle (especially oral only) Come down then (AGREE with Rods) tbol or var is the way to go... Ideally test p/var gives a really nice look
my .02
i'm on dbol now, it does pack on size for sure, makes u feel pumped all damn day, also makes u retain water badly, but it would be a poor choice for someone who already has a bit too much fat, especially with no test. if u did a lot research then u should have come to the conclusion that injectables are the only sensible option, dbol only cycles are hideous cos most people put on a lot of water weight and drop it after - with test u can harden up those gains. also if u suffer with back pumps on the dbol like i have been u will forget about cardio!
btw, this is my first cycle and i am doing 500mg EQ week, 600mg test e week, dbol for the 4 weeks near beginning (didn't start it right at the beginning as i was running a 10k) , after the dbol has run out i am adding in 300mg tren a week in a enan and acetae mix, 3 shots week. hcg half way through and near the end, with nolva and aromasin as pct.
since your bodyfat is high (mine is near the same) i would have thought testosterone would be the best thing for u, due to its high androgenic rating which helps to decrease bodyfat. dbol actually is known to possibly put a little bodyfat on.
btw, on those doses for a little over a month i think u r going to be bitterly disappointed. ur money would be far better spent on 600mg test e, test c or sust per week for 10 weeks with a front load and a decent pct, maybe take the dbol for the first 4 weeks just to really kick it off.
nothing to be afraid of with the pinning if u research it, its a bit of a thing the first and second time u do it, but after that its a breeze man. buy the pins online, alcohol swab vials and inject sites, look up the correct injection spots online, aspirate everytime, job done. if u want to know anything on this feel free to pm me cos i'm happy with the way mine are going.
good call with advice mate.
banana159Thanks, I was aware that dbol is no good for cutting especially due to water retention. That's why I decided to use it with arimidex, which should counteract some of the water retention. The plan was to gain a bit more muscle and not so much to get cut, that could come a bit later. Anyway, it sounds like maybe dbol is a bad idea to start with. I'll see if I can get some var, if not then perhaps I'll look into injectables.
AnonI know you just came off a diet but your stats are appauling. You got tonnes of bf for your bodyframe. I wouldnt recommend dbol esp if you have tonnes of fat arround your belly. Try something like tbol or anavar i am sure you will get much better results and with much less risk for aromatization. I would seriously suggest you research a lot more. Prochem anavar is cheap as chips btw and some suppliers have it in stock. There is no excuse for someone with your stats to use dbol.
banana159Thanks for the advice, I will look around some more to see if I can find var. I can always save the dbol for later (summer is pretty far away).