first cycle for a fit guy
Hello,
I'm 25 years of age Wt 175 bf 10. I've been lifting for 7 years, and last 4 years going hard to the point that im counting macros and recording stats. I started at 135lbs now 175 ripped, my goal is to reach 200 and be bf of 9. My calories ranges from 3400cal- 2800 40c/40p/20f. I just want to add at least 25lb of pure muscle. My goal isnt to look like a Mr.Olympian. I workout with heavy volumes 5 times a week and do intensity cardio. I've been thinking of using and have no moral issues to see my goal in the mirror. I want to know how to go about this. I've read the articles on eroids on how to start a cycle. However shouldn't the cycle correlate with the goal in mind.I just need an advise on how to approach. I want to cycle without losing hair. Thanks for your help and advise
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don't forget about bloodwork, I have yet to run my first cycle but I absolutely refuse to run one without obtaining bloods prior to the first injection. and I live in an area where obtaining bloods is difficult to do and expensive, so that alone might be a deal breaker for me.
point is, if you're gonna do it, do everything you can to stay healthy (that means responsible compound selection, length of use, getting bloods pulled, etc), thats gotta be priority.
also, you say you wanna cycle and not lose hair; perfectly understandable, that was one concern I had when I first started exploring this side of performance enhancement. However, I think its important that while you realized and identified this as a realistic potential side effect, you ACCEPT the fact that it could very well happen with just 1 cycle, of moderate length, done 100% by the book, and have long lasting consequences (however unlikely).
im not trying to discourage you or anything, or imply that in general many of these compounds can be used relatively safely if used responsibly in conjunction with a healthy lifestyle, and I wish you the best of luck, I just want to emphasize that these are powerful drugs with potentially serious side effects that you need to be willing to ACCEPT (not just identify) experiencing despite how unlikely it may be.
again, not trying to be a debbie downer, just want you to make an informed decision because it was something I really had to come to terms with myself before I even began researching what my first cycle will be. good luck, eat big, get big.
Up your cals 5000 plus,,,make them quality cals and you will grow. Shit Viking has a shake that will hit that with ease. Kill it in the gym- If your hell bent on running something-test only 500 mgs week no short esters the pinning will hurt you, and the pip will prob cripple you. make sure you have an AI on hand and and the proper PCT BEFORE you start... Good luck man- EAT TRAIN EAT SLEEP EAT thats the magic secret not compounds!
You are 6ft and 175? You need food, not steroids. Eat eat eat good luck.
That would make sense by seeing the stat, but irl i look about 190. I've tried eating 4000 40/40/20 for a month only fat is added..
yeah dude, i feel your pain. after years and years of training natural i couldn't get over a lean 185 at 6'1" without just getting downright fat. you can only hold so much lean mass naturally, and it pretty much caps out -- such is genetics and such is life. that is why people turn to gear use. you are obviously eating a good amount above maintenance calories and hitting your protein and carbs, but there is nothing much you can do to pass your bodys natural limit without some assistance.
its easy for the guy who is naturally shorter, stockier, and huskier to say "you're not eating enough bro!" to a guy who is tall, naturally skinny with small wrists/ankles, and long limbs, and act like everyone is created the same. i wish you the best getting out of this plateau you've been in, and good luck on your journey with anabolic steroids.
Right there with you, just a tad shorter. 5,10'' 170. I only gain fat when i "bulk" Pretty much a ectomorph who's put on muscle over a skinny frame. Nice pic btw!
Thanks for the encouragement and understanding.
Have you tried eating insane amounts of protein?
whats insaner than 270g of protein and natural at 175?
300g lol
There's a lot of debate on how much protein your body can process at once. Some say 50% is lost, personally I have no freakin' clue. But if you figure 25% that 270g drops to 203g. The waste will be even higher if the protein is from processed sources.
I consume close to 250g a day, almost all of which comes from fish. I weigh 165, probably about 24% bf and I'm a girl. Should you eat more protein I don't know, just thought I would share.
If i start doing 300g of protein now at 175 wouldnt my body get use to that amount? And later would be hard to add more protein in
you are also on growth hormone and steroids. this guy isn't.
Thing is the bigger you get the slower you add muscle. They say your first year with great genetics you can add about 2lbs a month, second year about a pound a month then year half pound etc etc. So while 175lbs isn't massive at all, your lexactly like me. I started at 130lbs as a full grown adult not a 15 year old still going through puberty. So you gotta take it slow man, really slow. I'm cutting now and what I'm realizing is I wasn't even able to add 2lbs a month as a bigginneer, like I said that's typically only guys with great genetics, which I do not have. I don't let it get me down at all I love lifting weigjts, I just know during my off and natural time I have to take it slow.
So after 4 years your 175lbs lean, so you put on 10lbls of muscle a year, that's good progress. What people need to realize is people like you and me didn't have 160lb starting points, fuck we weren't even blessed with 150lb starting weights. So I don't doubt you know what your doing in the gym. Being a adult at 130lbs is a lot different then a 14 year old about to go through puberty bitching that there 130lbs, there still growing, we were full grown at 130.
So what I'm trying to say is for you to have accomplished what you have you must have had some decent idea of what your doing in there, causes you damn sure weren't one of the genetically blessed who just can just lift and add a protein shake post workout to there diet and grow. So start reaearchijg a basic test cycle, aromatize inhibitors, pct, side effects, gyno, time on and time off, how to inject. But most importantly of all your diet. Get that and your lifting program dialed in to a T. Make sure it's set up so your gaining weight now. Cause when the time comes and you introduce steroids that extra food will build muscle. Let me know if you want help with your diet.
Take a few months to do this right an don't rush it. And also during that time add another 5-10lbs naturally, but take it slow. If your gaining to much fat adjust your diet. Gotta find what works best for you .
And like I said before, 25lbs ain't gonna happen in one cycle. 15lbs of muscle is probably possible if you do it all right and that's a huge amont of muscle . If you don't think so go pile up 15klbs of lean steak and picture that spread around your body. It's dramatic.
Read the thread konig posted and you will be on your way!
read it and made a rough draft of a cycle. People are advising me not to taper for a first cycle........... Take a look at my draft
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/rough-draft-of-first-cycle#comment-1585009
no taper first cycle
Looks like your at a good start... remember test is best!! Check it out!!
http://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles/beginner-cycle-1-or-2-test-e-w...
thanks for giving me a visual of a log. The article made sense. Have you tried this?
That was my first cycle, but instead of aro I used adex and I didn't have a prop taper(WHICH I REALLY WISH I DID!!!) The prop taper would have really saved my test from crashing like it did... I went from sky high to BOOOM right into PCT and didn't want to work out AT ALL! The prop taper would have really saved me man, will be using it from now on so instead of crashing out and heading straight into PCT, you can ease into your PCT and feel better about the whole situation.. live and learn experience there..
I've never done a cycle without a prop taper.I makes the transition so much easier.
We don't advise shorts for first time cycles. They need to learn how to use a needle before jumping into shorts. Some experience with PIP would help too.
I wasn't suggesting it to op, just agreeing with konig how well it works, but I can see how it can be interpreted that way. I'll watch what I say more closely.
Really is a staple.. if you think about it it would be stupid to not use a taper, the test levels fluctuating/dropping so crazy like that it makes recovery harder and can damage your system even worse!
Ok, I'm 175 hard at 10 bf. After I do this cycle will i become fluffy or does that depend on my routine with strict dieting?
LMAO! if you come out fluffy you got some serious issues!
LMFAO!............. Oh man it justs get better! if i spoke like that in the gym they would crucify my ass on the power rack... lol...lol
lol..I'm glad i made ya'll laugh..well..... Most people i've seen on there first cycle dont come out ripped. Although, it may be because of their starting point, but i've been accused of juicing because of my size and hardness at 175. I just wanted to know how my first cycle will affect me.
Nobody should even be looking to get "ripped" on their first cycle......... bulking is the name of the game for Bodybuilders!... 2yrs min bulking to lay down some serious mass to actually have something to cut back to .... you talk about size and hardness at 175lbs @6ft......... young bro i have 1in more in height than you and nearly 100lbs heavier @10% BF............ you really want to talk to me about Size and Hardness!.
I take it you have never stood side by side with a Real Bodybuilder.
The gym has it's own language like anything else. Guys get "bloated" from too much water retention on cycle and if not fully bloated then perhaps the muscles get a little "soft" looking - even a beast or mass monster can get that look. Then there is full out getting a little plain old "fat" on a bulking cycle, but no, "fluffy" would not be a word that would describe a man with a decent muscle base no matter what is going on with his steroid cycle.
Oh come on fluffy is a great word.
Only for girls ;)
funny I might have had an occasion with a hot chick named fluffy
I've done it both ways and the prop taper made it easier on me to.
Profile says 221lbs your post says 175. That's quite a difference. Which one is it? And 25lbs of pure muscle is not possible in one cycle.
Edit, sorry I clicked on the trolls below profile.
25pounds of pure muscle is not gonna happen in one cycle. first cycle is always test only, 500mg/w for 12 weeks. test is base for every cycle and you need to see how your gonna respond to it by itself before adding in anything else. you want to see how your body recovers from the cycle. and you want to learn one compound at a time so you can build your own cycles and know what each compound will do for you, everybody responds different to different compounds and their experience may not be yours!
True_Blue91im new to this board im from meso soidk how to pm... pm me ill answer any questions i can for you
True_Blue91how did i get negged?? who did i troll???
I guess it was because everything you said opposed what they've written on the site.lol
True_Blue91lol well theyll probably ban me for this one.. come check out mesorx bro its an uncensored forum its pretty straight over there bro
its uncensored here too, I actually deleted what you said by accident, i was trying to delete your account. after I messed up I thought better of deleting you before you spread a bunch of poison and I troll tagged you instead so people know not to listen to you!
you can stay, I will take the troll tag off but you cant post in the cycles section, your too young and your advice is horrible
maybe that would be it, giving out horrible cycle advice will get you a troll tag. I dont know what type of advice they give on meso but it didnt sound to good. plus hes 22 and we dont allow people under 25 to give cycle advice here, nor do we advise kids on cycling. nothing personal.