posted Wed, 08/17/2011 - 14:24
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Cycle Suggestions Anyone???
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Hey fellow Roiders,
I'm looking for suggestions on how to run a specific cycle with the gear I already have.
Gear List:
test enanthate
test propionate
Nandrolone Phenylopropionate
dbol 20mg tabs
CLOMIPHENE
TAMOXIFEN
What I've been on for a solid week:
Nandrolone Phenylopropionate
Nandrolone Deca...
I wanted to start with the NPP and ND while waiting for the bigger shipment to come in.
I'll modify your suggestions into practical numbers based on the quantity of my inventory. Moreover, I'm trying to aim for no more than 8 weeks on total with PCT cycle included.
Thanks fellas, any suggestions will be heavily weighed.
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Just so you guys know where my head is with the products I bought, besides the NPP and ND which is already explained, I will break it down for you so you guys can give more informed advice and sorry for not being this thorough initially (honestly I'm only skimming the surface because I don't feel like reposting my research.
Dbol is known to be a great beginners steroid, with an active life of 6-8 hrs and is probably best combined with a Test--this is why I chose DBol and waited until I could get my hands on Test before taking it.
Side-effects overview:
Acne: yes
Aromatization: high
Decreases HPTA Function: yes
DHT Conversions: No
High Blood Pressure: yes
Liver Toxic: yes
NPP is a fast ester with a active life of 2-3 days and that is why I started with NPP and want to end with it, to help taper off the slower esters. As you can see in the overview, the side-effects are significantly less than ND.
Side-effects overview:
Acne: low
Aromatization: low
Decreases HPTA Function: yes
DHT Conversions: No, Converts to NOR-DHT with low activity
High Blood Pressure: low
Liver Toxic: no
Test E is known as the "mass builder" and a great base for other steroids. It has an active life of 8 days and thus is a slower ester yet faster than ND. I don't think I need to say more, this is one of the most popular Tests out today.
Side-effects overview:
Acne: yes
Aromatization: high
Decreases HPTA Function: high
DHT Conversions: yes, high
High Blood Pressure: yes
Liver Toxic: low
Test P is a fast ester, with an active life similar to NPP of 2-3 days.
Side-effects overview:
Acne: yes
Aromatization: high
Decreases HPTA Function: high
DHT Conversions: yes, high
High Blood Pressure: yes
Liver Toxic: low
I was thinking of running Test P with the Dbol, ND, and Test E. My rational is based on each steroids active life. And the NPP used at the end of the cycle due to both its fast ester and comparatively lower sides-effects.
CLOMIPHENE and TAMOXIFEN to help restore "balance" and an added effort to keep all the gained muscle.
Hopefully now that all is informed, please feel free to speak your minds. Of course I realize that everyone has various opinions based on their unique roid experiences. Roids are useless without balance of product, diet, exercise. Rest assured Eroidians I will start at lower doses before thinking of trying a higher dosage.
Thanks!!
okay bro, here is a very simple noobie cycle that will yield u great gains
wks 1-4 dbol 50mg ed (split)
wks 1-12 test e 250mg 2Xwk
PCT nolva 40/40/20/20 10days after last pin
could u add deca? sure, but for optimal results that would mean extending the cycle to 14 wks pinning deca for 12 and test for 14
not the cycle or the timeframe ur looking for, i know, but this would be my best advice to you
short esters are a personal fav of mine but u may want to get some pinning under ur belt before u get into the ed/eod pinning just to get comfortable with it.
if ur dead set on the short cycle then:
wks 1-8 test p 100eod
wks 1-6 npp 75eod
(and u can load both into one gun)
PCT nolva 40/40/20/20 3days after last pin
no need for dbol "kicker" cuz short esters will kick in pretty quick
an 8wk cycle INCLUDING PCT is a waste of time and money. if you are under the gun and don't have the time to cycle correctly, THEN WAIT!
Thanks bro!! Maybe I should bite the bullet and spend some more money so I can do a nice long cycle. Hell I'm not thinking of cutting til next year anyhow. I'll have to weigh in my stock and do some basic math first.
Well my friend, I definitely will use your advice.
Oh and how long will this topic last in the forum? If not long I should probably write this all down lol.
Thanks again!!
AnonPin 100mg test prop 5 times a week and the npp 100mg 3 days a week and wish for the best.
Appauling cycle from start to finish you can also take the dbol throughout as well but at 4 weeks on dont expect too much. I would go back to the drawing board if i was you.
Btw one shot of deca is enough to shut you down you couldnt pick a worst compound. Your best bet is to keep the deca and run the test e for 14 weeks along with it.
Hollywood gave you some sound advice btw research is all you need.
Thanks for your reply bro. Definitely am modifying my original plan.
I like the idea of multiple Tests of varying esters being combined together (like Sustanon), that I had thought about purchasing 3 or 4 different Tests but probably shouldn't think of that right now lol. The "more is better" mentality sure is hard to kick. lol
seriouly bro? so many things wrong with this aside from not enough info (stats, cycle history etc...)
not trying to be a dick, but:
*do you understand the difference between short esters and long esters?
*why would u start with NPP/ND w/o test?
*an 8wk cycle INCLUDING PCT?
YIKES!
I could build a decent short cycle with half ur stash (short esters) but i think u may want to do some more research before u just start pinning urself, bro. AAS is serious business and if u don't know what ur doing u can fuck urself up
First thanks for the honesty. Its obvious that I'm a newbe. I have put in many hours of research that placed me late into the night studying this stuff. Even then I wanted honest opinions from experienced users. I went with the NPP and NP because NPP was a quicker ester which would carry me until the NP kicked in (its a slower ester). As a newbe I figured Test wasn't necessary right out the gate so I waited until I knew how NPP and NP would affect me.
Now onto stats:
5'10
Currently 230-235lbs with under 20%bf
around 30 years old
As far as the 8 week cycle, I figured I didn't have enough gear to last much longer than that-ordering only 1 of each.
Well, if you have any more info or suggestions feel free to chime in.
Thanks muscle head brothers.