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Lower Back Pain

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What the hell is up with having lower back pain while on Roids?

It seems the lower back pain has intensified now that I'm on gear, especially during and after lower back/dead-lift and also squat days. I'm using proper technique and all that jazz, its just that the muscle pain or "burn" lasts much longer than usual.

If anyone can share their experience with this, or shed some light on this matter it would be appreciated.

For some added info I'm running ND and Test E currently, and was taking Test P and NPP but just stopped using the short esters last week now that I'm well into my cycle.

Also I don't seem as flexible now that I'm juicing, any ideas or comments?

Eminemsroyaltys's picture

I have the same issue. I ended up taking long stretch periods and taking glucosameine pills and drinking ass loads of water. I do a 20 min warm up then hit the weights and do AB's and stretch for 10 min. I then do cardio for as long as I have time for and stretch again for 5 min.
This has really helped me...also I try to lay on the floor with my feet up at night for an hour or so and that helps too.

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Okay, just did some research and if you are up for reading here you go:

Stephen M. Roth, a professor in the department of kinesiology at the University of Maryland, explains.

As our bodies perform strenuous exercise, we begin to breathe faster as we attempt to shuttle more oxygen to our working muscles. The body prefers to generate most of its energy using aerobic methods, meaning with oxygen. Some circumstances, however, --such as evading the historical saber tooth tiger or lifting heavy weights--require energy production faster than our bodies can adequately deliver oxygen. In those cases, the working muscles generate energy anaerobically. This energy comes from glucose through a process called glycolysis, in which glucose is broken down or metabolized into a substance called pyruvate through a series of steps. When the body has plenty of oxygen, pyruvate is shuttled to an aerobic pathway to be further broken down for more energy. But when oxygen is limited, the body temporarily converts pyruvate into a substance called lactate, which allows glucose breakdown--and thus energy production--to continue. The working muscle cells can continue this type of anaerobic energy production at high rates for one to three minutes, during which time lactate can accumulate to high levels.

A side effect of high lactate levels is an increase in the acidity of the muscle cells, along with disruptions of other metabolites. The same metabolic pathways that permit the breakdown of glucose to energy perform poorly in this acidic environment. On the surface, it seems counterproductive that a working muscle would produce something that would slow its capacity for more work. In reality, this is a natural defense mechanism for the body; it prevents permanent damage during extreme exertion by slowing the key systems needed to maintain muscle contraction. Once the body slows down, oxygen becomes available and lactate reverts back to pyruvate, allowing continued aerobic metabolism and energy for the body�s recovery from the strenuous event.

Contrary to popular opinion, lactate or, as it is often called, lactic acid buildup is not responsible for the muscle soreness felt in the days following strenuous exercise. Rather, the production of lactate and other metabolites during extreme exertion results in the burning sensation often felt in active muscles, though which exact metabolites are involved remains unclear. This often painful sensation also gets us to stop overworking the body, thus forcing a recovery period in which the body clears the lactate and other metabolites.

Researchers who have examined lactate levels right after exercise found little correlation with the level of muscle soreness felt a few days later. This delayed-onset muscle soreness, or DOMS as it is called by exercise physiologists, is characterized by sometimes severe muscle tenderness as well as loss of strength and range of motion, usually reaching a peak 24 to 72 hours after the extreme exercise event.

Though the precise cause of DOMS is still unknown, most research points to actual muscle cell damage and an elevated release of various metabolites into the tissue surrounding the muscle cells. These responses to extreme exercise result in an inflammatory-repair response, leading to swelling and soreness that peaks a day or two after the event and resolves a few days later, depending on the severity of the damage. In fact, the type of muscle contraction appears to be a key factor in the development of DOMS. When a muscle lengthens against a load--imagine your flexed arms attempting to catch a thousand pound weight--the muscle contraction is said to be eccentric. In other words, the muscle is actively contracting, attempting to shorten its length, but it is failing. These eccentric contractions have been shown to result in more muscle cell damage than is seen with typical concentric contractions, in which a muscle successfully shortens during contraction against a load. Thus, exercises that involve many eccentric contractions, such as downhill running, will result in the most severe DOMS, even without any noticeable burning sensations in the muscles during the event.

KMC's picture

Kidney's ???

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Bigger4it's picture

????? Not sure bud. I doubt it has anything to do with my kidneys because I used to have this same muscle soreness before juicing, it is simply more prevalent now. I do know that muscle soreness has to do with the buildup of lactic acid within the muscle and also once a target muscle group reaches a certain temperature the body's enzymes begin to shut down. I'm just surfing for commonality with other juicers on this matter.

Bigger4it's picture

Not to sound idiotic but whats a "Tens machine"?

Greg's picture

Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation.

Huh, What do you know, a self applied "stun gun"

KMC's picture

Looks like an iPod with 2 leads,

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Bigger4it's picture

I may have to try that machine. Where can I purchase one?