Critique my 2nd cycle plans...
I am 5'10" 185lb 10% bf 34 years old and am currently runnin 500mg test e, today was start of week 10... All is well virtually no problems. I noticed myself getting more frustrated about littlle things about week 8 but I noticed it and it went away... I am going to finish this cycle at 12 weeks, pct, and wait... I am planning next cycle for beginning of april. I am wanting to get everything on its way in case there are problems... My goals are to be about 200lb lean.
d-bol 30mg wk/1-5
test e 600mg/wk 1-14
deca 400mg/wk 1-12
winstrol 50mg/day 10-16
?test p 100mg eod for 10 days after last test e injection?
arimidex if needed
clomid for pct 100/100/50/50 16-19
this is what I am thinking. I read I should get some caber 0.5e3d? I eat 6meals/day min 40g protein 60g carb mostly whole grain or fruit... I think I should add a liver aid of some kind I would appreciate recommendations for not only liver aid but my whole cycle plans. thanks to everybody for you help.
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beavisI would run the D-bol for the first 4 0r 5 weeks, Still think you should just do the test with it, but I know your going for the finished hard look that var and winny provide, and they are milder steroids with liitle or no risk of the aromatising side effects. The var is a better steroid than the winny in my opinion. Last 6 weeks of cycle for either of these is good. And at the same I have not run either at the beginning of a cycle. Still think your better to keep it to two compounds though.
After reading more about it, I wasn't sure if I would have the body mass to make actual gains w/ the dbol, I read that if I didnt have a big enough mass to start w/ I would only gain water and wouldnt keep much of my gains?... I figured the var was mild enough to kickstart into lean gains w/ out causing sides?... and honestly I want to try more shit
But I want to do what is best... I am really stuck on the winstrol for last six... Appreciate ur input. and if you know more about dbol, tell me... thanks man
Ok I think I've made my decision. You guys are right I was thinking kinda extreme. What I really want is the hard look to my physique. I know as soon as this cycle ends I'll be losing some weight. I'll get my bf back below 10, I have trouble gaining weight, I am gonna post my current diet w/ a couple days meals on there in diet forum, and I want you guys to tell me what to do different... Thanks guys
Test e 500mg/wk 1-12 frontloading w/750mg 1st pin
?anavar 50mg/d 1-4?
winstrol 50mg/d 9-14
Sound any better?
Anonso, you're going to finish up this cycle in Jan...approx...that means you should take your TIME ON and make that the TIME OFF before you start another cycle..
AnonHoly shit..I was excited reading your first cycle, actually started out the right way..then I see you wanna add 837889729178470141 compounds to your next cycle..you aren't that old man..still got some years
beavisYa bud I would leave at least the deca out, If you are hellbent on adding another compound or even two (I would go no more than two for second cycle) Do the d-bol I did and loved it back when did second cycle. Keep the diet good and I personally would keep d-bol at 30 mgs per day spread out, with taking one of those 3 just prior to work out. Dude like everyone says don't get crazy with adding more shit to your list. I have several cycles under my belt now and I am your age and a bit heavier at 210 and have kept it simple with great results everytime.
tread-mSo you are jumping 3 compounds from 1st cycle to 2nd?
Is that your way of saying 2nd cycle 2 compounds? I am getting in a hurry... My body loves test I have had no sides a lil oily skin a couple zits nothing out of the ordinary really... My nipples got a lil sensitive but I took anastrozole 1mg eod for a week and it went away... I feel happier than I have been in a long time. I dont want to get off of it
I was thinkin the dol would puff me up about right when test and deca were kickin in. Then use winny to harden... What would you recommend? If my thinking is wrong I want to be told. Thanks man
So if I drop the dbol, what are your thoughts on using test p 150mg eod weeks 1-4 and nandrolone phenylprop 100mg eod weeks 1-4... This way I avoid water bloat from dbol and still get a good kickstart and limit my compunds? I read that due to my lack of experiance I should not do test p and dbol, that's asking for bad side effects?
Anonadding in all those compounds from a simple test cycle is asking for bad side effects..of course you didnt have bad sides with a TEST ONLY cycle man..thats why people push for that to be everyones beginner cycle..but adding different esters, compounds and a 1080 on your cycle..I would advise AGAINST IT. I would say run a deca/test cycle
Nasty81NateCycle history?
I am currently on 1st cycle 500mg test e 12/wks... I am trying to get my 2nd cycle prepared for spring/summer.
Nasty81NateKick start the second cycle with 150mg prop EOD for 2 weeks, run the test e for 12, and run winny or var the last 4. Don't run to many things bro, cycling ain't about running a bunch of shit, it's about runnIng the right shit the right way. Your obviously wantning to lean out, so just get a diet going that is gonna meet that goal while your ON. Do some cardio and find the workout routine that will help you get what you want. All those compounds is just asking for by bad sides. And you won't know how to correct em when ur running a bunch if shit at once.
Diet 80% Training 15% Gear 5%, that's how it's been for years....find a diet that is perfect you , that's the key.
Anondiet 85% Training 15% Gear 5%...fuck...is that more than 100
I by no means am a diet expert, I plan on steppin up cardio right now, and keep it strong through 2nd cycle... I think it helps to be a lil ocd, cause i measure foods out and that's all I get. I go to gym w/ a plan and I dont stop until my work is done. right now since it is sweatshirt weather I am not eating as clean as I will after christmas... I will lose the fatty proteins (hamburger) stick w/ chick n fish, and plan to drop carbs down to 20-30g? 6x daily...
I appreciate your advice man, that's why I am askin... This isnt a f'n game to me like some of the kids playin w/ juice. I take it very seriously and want to do the proper thing. I feel I have read well on my desired results, but I bring the ultimate decision to you fellas... There is no better teacher than experience. I want to learn and listen. Thanks again...
Anonall i would say is you could run the prop lower if it just to get by until pct starts, so you tapper off a little as you go.
I avoid deca and tren now due to may age and the shut down they can cause so not much advice on the caber issue, i also always have letro on hand just in case.
But you seem the have all the base's covered fella. there will always be a difference of opinion about AI's and the amounts and times to take it
Good luck with the cycle