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-3 pre existing gyno - letro, nolv effectiveness

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I've always tried to keep estro in check by running mast, dex, and prov on cycle. Even so, i still ended up with a dime under my right one. Hurts when i bump into stuff. I know the sooner you treat gyno the better chance you have of eliminating it. Mines been there a few years...
I've heard of gyno being eliminated using letro or nolv (high dose of 150).
Anyone had success nuking preexisting gyno using these ancillaries?
If so, i'm concerned about sides... Low e, poor lipid profile. Whats the cost benefit of the thing?

Curious about others experience on the matter.
Thanks

TheFlash85's picture

For all those who are interested in the letro/ nolva blast for gyno lumps leave a response below me, if theres a few that need it, ill run it past a mod and type it up .

PrayingForGrowth's picture

I hit you up privately but I'm definitely raising my hand to see a post regarding the gyno blaster.

Jeepman78's picture

I tried the high dose route to try and get rid of gyno and it did work. It was probably 3 years ago and did a high dose cycle of anadrol and test and developed extremely puffy sore nipples and lumps. I did the standard clomid and tamoxifen pct and it did go down but not completely, I thought it was permanent. About 2 months afterwards I happen to read somewhere that Letrozole may reverse it, so I did 2.5mgs a day for 20 days, and to my amazement it did go down. If I squeeze my tit I can feel a little lump but not sure if it's just a gland or not, but it's no where where it was before the Letrozole. I'm glad that I tried it.

misterp2016's picture

also depends what you was running, is prolactin level ok? tren/deca ran on cycle? if so, any lactation? maybe some caber/dostinex with arimidex and nolvadex

back40's picture

Yup, ran a bunch of tren and deca at different points in time. No lactation. The current lump has been there a while, as my body fat is currently dropping again its becoming more visible prompting me to do something about it. The lump itself is disc like and firm leading me to believe its estro based. If I'm not mistaken prolactin based gyno is more of a series of smaller lumps generally around the margin of the areola and includes the potential for lactation. for sure though...going to keep a supply of ralox/caber on hand going forward. thanks

TheFlash85's picture

Letro 3 day half life- 60 days to peak max plasma levels- half life and build up of drugs is key, letro and nolva in a certain protocol will kill all gyno lumps if followed and done correctly for long enough, dudes give up to soon due to letro stigma, sides are easily managed.

back40's picture

After a few weeks I'm definitely seeing a reduction using aro/nolv/ and a bit of masto. I did sort of front load gyno reduction protocol with letro to attempt to get e2 down fast and then followed up with the above. Good point on the proper dosing and duration. Guilty of not following through with the full protocol in the past.

TheFlash85's picture

You gotta be drug/ hormone free to get rid off it with letro/ nolva protocol.

back40's picture

I'm on trt. So, no exogenous t whatsoever. Wow thats going put me in the dumps. Wouldn't letro knock my e2 way down. Enough so to effectively treat it?

Muffins's picture

You'll hurt the first two weeks and then you'll feel better. I left out the most important part; if you crash your estrogen, your body will produce enough testosterone that your mid-range. I've even seen some studies of doctors using Letro to restart production.

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back40's picture

Good read. Thanks. I like the idea of masto, aro, and raloxifene . Its going to be a seesaw battle managing gyno. Hopefully i can knock it back and keep it in check.

GrowMore's picture

I personally followed that protocol and it worked for my puffy nipples and slight knot/lump under my nipple. I didn't run the mast for the full time, only 3 months.

Ironmonk if you're reading this I hope you're still winning brother.

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steelers36's picture

yours dont look bad though bro. nice physique !!

steelers36's picture

puffers gonna puff :-)

unreal89's picture

I have teh gyno also only real way to rid of it is getting under the knife as said below raloxifene is your best bet or nolvadex and can be ran with low dose aromasin it will reduce but will still be there so when you think its gone and start a new cycle and estro gets high then boom back where you started..

back40's picture

I've seen a couple of your posts and was hoping you throw down your .02
I have aro on the way and will incorporate it. Seems easier on the lipids and not as harsh on the body in general.
Very interested in raloxifene.
Fr sent. Thanks.

unreal89's picture

FR accepted

waterhead235's picture

Stay away from letro. The old blast it with letro protocol is moronic. Why tank all of your estrogen and feel like complete shit when you can target the problem with nolva or raloxifine? Forget the high dose blast, just run 20mg a day for 6 months. There is medical proof that it works at that dosage and duration.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18357357

IrishMack's picture

Wrong, letro does not tank your estrogen, the side effects people feel are from overdosing because they dont understand you HAVE to draw bloods to see how much you are supposed to take. Taking too much letro causes achy joints, laziness, headaches, lack of libido, e.t.c. the signs that are mistaken for low estrogen or "crashed."

https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/letrozole-yo...

You pasted a link that shows you do research, but you failed to research Letro and went with Brosearch.

waterhead235's picture

Dude you are so passive aggressive. Letro can most definitely tank your estrogen and the side effect of taking too much is extremely low estrogen. Letro taken at the ridiculously high dosage recommended in the old school gyno protocol can and most likely will tank most peoples estrogen levels. I've read so many posts in the past where guys loaded up on letro and their estrogen levels were in the single digits, proven by bloodwork. I've had the same phenomenon happen to me of "feeling" like my estrogen is crashed when I initially start taking an Ai but it goes away fairly quickly.

IrishMack's picture

Doctors apparantly lie. There is no way according to all the tests that taking letro by itself will zero out your estrogen. Did you even read any of the studies or even read the actual medical facts about letro? It would blow your mind and then maybe you would also try and correct people spreading misinformation.

waterhead235's picture

Yes doctors lie. Nowhere in any of the links you provided does it state that letro cannot zero out your estrogen. It simply didn't happen in those studies. Because it didn't happen under those particular circumstances, does not mean it cannot happen. You are spreading misinformation.

IrishMack's picture

... double post somehow.

IrishMack's picture

Lol I am not spreading misinformation, I am researching and not finding any scientific data that shows any of these ai's causing a complete zero on estrogen. If you could maybe find one please enlighten us to the actual scientific study, not another forum where more bioscience seems to rule supreme. Then send that data to the doctors that run the tests and tell them THEY are spreading misinformation.

back40's picture

Seems like letro has its place as a very effective ai. As you mentioned, dosing needs to be dialed inconjunction with regular bloods. Thanks for taking the other side of the letro coin and presenting how letro can be successfully used if administered properly.

Muffins's picture

Letro definitely can make estrogen undetectable on standard testing. I've seen it myself many times. You're right it can be dialed in and is an effective and convenient AI, but even with regular blood testing that is difficult, it takes such little amounts.

Ludwig's picture

+1

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MedDx's picture

Good link Smile

back40's picture

Hey, thanks! If letro was effective i'd consider the sides. Knocking estro down 99% seems like it be pretty rough.
6 months of nolva? What about lipids? I have statins on hand.

waterhead235's picture

Nolvadex actually improves lipids. This is a study on women so the efficacy on men might be different?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16800341

MedDx's picture

I believe we are affected the same...good link

waterhead235's picture

I saw you post something on nolva improving lipids so I looked into it. Thanks for putting it out there.

MedDx's picture

No problem...it was a quick scan when I was reading about lipids around that time...I was glad to see that tamoxifen had some additional uses...

back40's picture

+1 if i could for good info.
Fr sent

shiva4's picture

I would avoid letro like the plague. I had a lump after a cycle years ago and tried to use letro because that was what was recommended to me on another site and I didn't know any better. I felt like complete dog shit and lost mass because of it.

I had the issue happen again since then and used low dose PHARMA nolva at a lose dose of 20 MG for a little while and it took care of it. I took it until the lumps went away and then for an additional 2 weeks.

I've also heard raloxifene works too, as makwa suggested.

just make sure you use PHARMA products.

back40's picture

Yeah, i know you got to be cafeful with letro. I just assume not go there.
20mgs of nolva is what i'm currently doing split in two doses. The nolva i have is expired but i believe still gtg. Very intetested in the raloxifene.
Thanks

Makwa's picture

Raloxifene would be your best alternative. 90-120mg the first couple of weeks and then back it down to 60mg until lump is gone.

back40's picture

never tried raloxifene but will research it further.
Thanks for the input.

back40's picture

A reduction in size and sensitivity would be better then surgery at this point. Any thoughts on the letro vs. high dose nolv question and which would have lessor sides?

Muffins's picture

Nolva would be better all around. I've never personally used it for gyno because I want immediate results and don't want to risk it setting in. Since you've had it a while Id got the nolva route but not at 150mg just 40mg for six months.

back40's picture

You don't think a high starting dose and taper protocal would be beneficial in anyway? I think i saw something like 150/150/100/100...nolv...doing research.
Your hear alot about letro being the gyno blaster. I'm kinda surprised that a serum could do the job. Always used nolv for pct.

Muffins's picture

You could more than likely shrink it down but you have to manage your estrogen to a T afterwards. If you creep to the high range it will more than likely pop right back to where it was.

MedDx's picture

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Goose24's picture

I don't see it in your picture you posted....

Muffins's picture

It's there his nipple is just erect and pushing it into his pec. The outline is visible on the side near his armpit.