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5 years on 3 years off low t major depression

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I've never really been active on any forums but have used them as a resource for various reasons over the years. This is my second post. Hello and thank you for any feedback that others may have for me.
I'm 46. I ran every type of gear and peptide in all kinds of combinations for a five year period without a full pct. I needed help, so i told my doc what was going on and was refered to an endo. The endo put me on a long a tapper for about 8 months. My hematicrite was high and remained so even as my test dropped back to normal ranges. I was told i had polycythemia. Most likely primary and without blood leaching would die in 2 to 10 years. I took all my savings and moved off grid to live my last days in peace. After two years in the woods i went back to a different doc to get bloods. Everything was normal! WTF? I have been suffering from major depression. The doc has me on welbutrin. Last blood work showed t level at 300. I cant do anything. I feel like shit.
I'm thinking about going blast and cruise. A few months ago i decided to use the last ml of watson that i had with 8, 20 mg dbol. I did .5 ml twice in a week and 10mg of dbol for 2 weeks. I felt way better.
Question:
Is a test level of 300 low enough for trt/hrt?
Would blast and cruize be a bad idea?
The smallest amount of test seems to work wonders.
Thoughts on trib, prami, samme or the like?

KMC's picture

It must be a slow day on EROIDS, 2 1/2 year old topic by a TROLL,....... and you guys rescue it from the scrap heap.

PLEASE, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL !!

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Primo_Build's picture

Wife fucking your best friend?

Primo_Build's picture

How’s that major depression treating you bro? The bitch creeping in yet?

Primo_Build's picture

Yeah man. Seems so.

Primo_Build's picture

Lol. He’s definitely on one. I wasn’t really tripping until he started talking shit about people. It’s not cool to put someone down the way he did.

back40's picture

The symptoms and depression associated with low t lifted but other issues have come to the surface. For a while now i've been feeling great and looking great. Its been a big confidence boost. I find my self getting complacent especially with the women. I feel like no one can penetrate my extreme confidence. So much so i'm willing to expose myself to the narcissistic gaslighting types. These gals tend to be attractive, witty, and gangsta in the sack. Obviously, theres other charactor flaws that i have, that test didnt fix. So, if you got depression unrelated to low t, then test isn't going to fix those mood disorders. Don't let the increase in esteem fool you into making poor decision's. Increased T will not solve your problem's. Unless you have low t. Don't let the inner child drive the bus gents.

cturtle46's picture

If you ever get high hemoglobin or hematocrit again just go and donate blood. I don't remember the % exactly but I think for a pint of blood there's a 10% drop in hematocrit. This can happen anyone on HRT

I ran a long cycle last year and it totally messed up my RBC as well. I felt foggy and sleepy. Let go of some blood and couldn't believe the difference it made. My doctor said not to do anything....

And yes, my test was very, very low... 6 ng/dL and I'm now officially on HRT through the endo. Not enough improvement and he's scared to increase the dose...apparently it takes a long time to get back to normal.

back40's picture

Thriving and enjoying life. Been cruising along at 100 testE a week for about 8 months. I did do a low dose blast of cut mix in the middle for about 7 weeks. Doc ran bloods. Everything normal. Brain fog is gone. Mood stable. The difference is amazing. T level below 300 was pretty harsh. I choose life.

randys52's picture

Amen. Mine was below 200 at 65. Felt dead. All changed with low dose test and hgh

White Bolt's picture

Hey bro, thanks for giving us an update. I am glad you are alive, well, and thriving in life. What a difference some test can make, huh? Stay strong.

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CustyDog's picture

I just read through your thread. I am glad you are doing better. Low T definitely sucks and makes you feel like you are loosing your virility.

zeusmarada's picture

Great news. I relate to your story, and your levels. Be smart, and pay it forward to the lads here who need a hand. Your update is awesome.

zeusmarada's picture

@back40, fill us in on your progress when you have a chance, please!

randys52's picture

Thanks. Ditto

back40's picture

100% turn around. Now back in the burds of the city that never sleeps. I'm living life again!
I've gleened the info i need to get bloods done and found local labs to get it drawn.
I've heard the word of responsible use and taken it to heart. Nothing but gratitude for the assistance that i found here.
Peeps here helped me get out of the darkest hole i've ever been in.
In some ways i would like a mod to delete this thread. What i did is not okay. I don't want others to see this and draw the wrong conclusions.
I'm back. Thank you and namaste!

kingj7323's picture

Glad to see you doing much better. I too think you should keep the thread as an example.

I was real sick with thyroid cancer, low T , adrenal issues and am doing much better. Nothing close compared to your situation, but I do think it gives hope to those who are feeling like garbage and think there is no solution or hope for getting better.

Best of luck to you.

Maestro's picture

As a noob, these types of turnarounds is what got me to register and post my first intro! Hope you don't delete, this is great inspiration for others to reach out and share their journey. Great to hear you are back on track and in to better lifestyle again.

back40's picture

I'm not going to delete the thread. You seem to see value in it. Maybe others will too.

Thanks very much for your input.

KMC's picture

In some ways i would like a mod to delete this thread.

You can delete it yourself.

1) By your name at the top left of this topic. BLUE BOX, that says EDIT. Click on it.

2) Scroll down to the bottom of the reply box. Box that says DELETE. Click on it.

3) Think of the work that you saved an overworked Mod.

The above is the mobile phone version, computer version may vary slightly.

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back40's picture

Still stable. More energy, better workouts, improved mood. I feel activated not jacked up. There is definitely a spark. Thanks for the inputs. Maybe i got enough karma to +1 somebody?

DragonDog's picture

Respect for taking the bull by the horns. Live! Fucking live. +1

zeusmarada's picture

Great to hear you're feeling better! This is a marathon, not a sprint.

As for boosting the karma of others, you gotta get to 50. I'll zap you a +1 to keep you rolling. I can tell you wanna HELP people, and I appreciate that. Eroids is literally one of the "last best places" on the internet for people actually helping others.

back40's picture

Well, i'm really enjoying getting to know my way around on eriods. Its lots of good stuff and certaintly good for a few laughs. I didn't even know what karma really was when i signed up, but i do now. Man have I've been missing out.
"Last best places" is exactly what i was thinking. I haven't been around long enough to say much on the faceroids issue, but it seems to me that theres way more knowledgable and helpful people around then there is goofballs.
On that note. Thanks for assisting me with the blood work.

zeusmarada's picture

Brother, it is my pleasure!

One thing about eroids is, you won't get any "crazy cycle" advice.

The biggest reason is, unless you're top level pro, it doesn't matter! A cycle of 500mg text cyp is super, super effective, assuming diet, training and rest are on point.

For the normal gym rat who just wants to look good and be stronger/fitter, there is a "safe" way to use AAS. Eroids is committed to that type of safety, and I'm eternally grateful to this place for that exact reason. Cheers indeed!

joseywales40's picture

stick with arimidex , drop the clomid and tamox -letro should only be used if you are actually showing signs of gyno and even then you would heavy dose letro then switch back to a higher dose of adex when symptoms are gone -that shouldnt be a problem on trt doses cause you are just replacing and keeping your test levels in a "normal " range .

back40's picture

Copy that. I made my choice and do not regret it. I will continue to try and do the right thing. I know at this point .5 adex is needed e3-4d. I used it all the time when i pushed 6ml a week. I currently have tam and clom. Tam may help but i need true ai like dex or letro. I heard aro is the best ai on cycle and pct. I'm also looking for help finding cheap bloods done in the states...
Its proper protocal. Thank you sir.

back40's picture

What a difference. I feel so much better. I have been suffering for yrs w this lower t. Its really been a moral decision to stay off gear. Now the thing i wanted to abstain from is the medicine i need to feel normal.

back40's picture

That's the plan! I hope it gets me outa this hole. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experiences.

joseywales40's picture

150mg/wk pinned 2 x 75mg keeps me at around 25 nmol/l cut off is 28 and without affecting blood counts ther is a fine line around 175-200 mg/wk that will put you over the max replacement dose and into anabolic dose with minor elevation of bloods

for syringes if your in canada you can walk into any pharmacy and buy them legally without prescription about the most you will get is a funny look from the odd pharmacist

get bloodwork done that will show your where your at but generally 150mg/week is a good trt dose -split the injection into 2 x 75mg form my own personal and continuing experience

back40's picture

hey, thanks...zeusm! I appricate the support and your kind words. It means alot. I've been living off grid by myself for over 3 years in the north country.
It's going to be difficult for me to do bloods. I'm broke. In the past i did have high rbc but i was running a fair amount of eq like 600mg for 4 months w/test, adex, prov, hgh, and igf.
Is 100-200 of test ew going to ramp up my hemo?
Its over 60miles, but there is a red cross in the vicinty.
I want to keep the dose as low as possible and i'm hoping to have minimal sides. I would expect the possibility of gyno, high bp and a poor lipid profile. I am prepared for that. Best i can do is a panel once or twice a year and donate. Shooting in the dark but trying to play it safe. Docter says im in great shape, everything in range. Anything obvious i should look for? Like nose bleeds, sensitivity, and water retention?

zeusmarada's picture

+1. Yes, GET THAT BLOOD WORK!!! @back40, you gotta do it. Again, PM me if you need assistance on how to get "cheaper" blood work done (if you live in the States). (If you go with an online lab, it's gonna be 1/5th the cost of going to your doctor.)

back40's picture

Second dose yesterday. Feeling a little better. Motivation improving, focus and confidance geting better too. Just feeling more capable and positive all around. I think I'm going to split my dose to 75mg test e x2ew to keep levels stable. Thats going to be .25 ml x2ew. Anyone got any extra slins?

zeusmarada's picture

Keep us posted! As for slins, there are plenty of accessory shops you can go to. PM me if you need any help. Rooting for you, brother. This adventure we call "existence" is a lot easier to bare when you know you're not alone.

back40's picture

This sucks. Run gear...feel great for a few months or years, then feel like shit for the rest of your life. I'm not doing this for gains. I want to feel half normal. Theres no spark, no motivation, no drive of any kind. I will do more bloods and request E2, shbg, tt, ft, Lh, fsh, and rbc.
I'm going to do this cruize and see how it goes for a few months.
If i do a pct hcg, clom, tam is there a chance i can recover T levels over 300? After 3 years of not using is it yoi get what you get or can numbers be improved and maintained with ancillaries? I'm thinking a complet pct instead of a long tapper might be beneficial. It be nice to feel good without trt/hrt

big JO's picture

I started my own TRT and screwed it all up by doing too much for too long with too many compounds. I went to an Endo and we worked together to get me squared away. I now run 100mg of Test E each week for 3 months and I blast for 3 months at 250 mg. I personally feel that the guidelines are just that and everyone feels different. You and I may feel completely different than I do with levels of 500. I feel so much better all around at 250mg of Test E each week. Why cant my levels be 1,000? Just because I am 51 and the guidelines say so?

back40's picture

Will be starting test e @ 150 ew

back40's picture

Its really helping me to know that other have similar experiences and sympathize with my situ.
Post cycle supression is serious shit. Alot of folks think they can run gear, do a pct and be all set. If done properly that is absolutly true. When i was on i would do bridges with 6 weeks of hcg, hgh, pt-141, clom and tam. Then i would get right back on the train. Noobs should be aware of not only the physical backlash, but the psychological too.
I always thought I'd keep training during pct. Its not an easy thing to do when not just your body but your mind is tanked. I can't stress enough the importance of shorter cycles, a complete pct and lenght of cycle x2 time off.
I would guess theres many like me who would say 'dont do what i did or as i do'.
That said. I still train sporadically for 2-3 months at a time. I have not become fat. As soon as the weights get in my hand the muscle maturity and vascularness is obvious. I trained for rips. Went from 250lbs to 175lbs of shredded beef. Guys twice my size couldnt touch my intensity and strenght. I was going for ifbb competitions light heavy weight. Then all hell broke loose.
What can i say. I'm hooked. I'm going back on. Its the choice i made and hrt/trt will be inevitabile.

MedDx's picture

After two years in the woods i went back to a different doc to get bloods. Everything was normal! WTF?

Sounds like a place I need to frequent every 6 months....... Smile

unreal89's picture

300 test levels isnt that horrible given your age just saying it could be worse especially how you went about cycling consider yourself lucky and keep on keeping on.

shiva4's picture

sorry to hear about your struggles, brother. FR sent.

back40's picture

Thanks for the feedback and support.

back40's picture

I'm lost in the weeds. Set me straight. Given that i'm at the low end of the test range whats the best protocal to boost my numbers.