+ 30 Pramipexole - Better than Cabergoline.
Ok as we all know, steroids like deca and tren are progestins and are known to raise prolactin levels when ran with other steroids such as testosterone. These steroids:deca and tren are from the 19-nor testosterone family are recognized by the body as progestins. Progestins have the ability to increase prolactin levels. Prolactin is responsible for "deca dick" or puffy nipples when running a cycle like this.
So in addition to running an AI like Arimidex or Aromasin to take care of estrogen, we must also run ancillaries to take care of prolactin. Our most common choices are Cabergoline, Bromocriptine, Pramipexole, along with many other less common drugs. Typically Cabergoline is recommended since it is easy to dose and must only be taken once or 2x a week.
Well The problem is Cabergoline is an expensive medication. It is hard to find, unstable in liquid form, and often must be pre-ordered months in advance. Not to mention the cost each pill is between five to twenty bucks, and if you are running an 18 week long deca cycle, your talking hundreds of dollars.
So what is the best option? Pramipexole. It is also a dopamine agonist, similar to Cabergoline. It raises dopamine levels which lowers prolactin levels. Pramipexole is actually more effective in terms of prolactin supression. The best part is, Prami is very low cost. One bottle will last you over a whole cycle and at about the cost of a bottle of test. Not bad. But thats not all Pramipexole is good for. Prami has many benefits that Cabergoline does not have. Prami has been shown to increase GH levels by up to 300% (in normal healthy men)for 2 hours after dosing. Prami is also safe to use long term. Unlike Caber which can cause Cardiac and noncardiac fibrotic reactions.
Prami has a whole other host of benefits but I'll just post some links for you all to read.
The other most important benefit I will mention is it's anti aromatase activity.
Dosing:
The most important thing to know about Prami is you NEED to SLOWLY increase your dose. As slow as possible means more gradual change and less side effects. If done correctly you can have a very small amount of side effects or none at all. Minor sides like headache, stomach ache/nausea, lethargy are possible but temporary. You will not notice this much if start with a low dose and increase slightly gradually.
Starting dose is typically 0.25mg, but if possible try half of this dose. So first few days do 0.125mg, after that if you have little to no bad sides, increase to 0.25mg. Stay on each increase for a few days before hiking up.
For prolactin supression, 0.25mg ed is usually plenty, but you can go all the way up to 0.5mg if necessary. At these dosages you may not notice much side effects. Prami is usually taken 3-5mg per day by RLS patients.
Another thing is Prami is usually taken right at night about 1 hour before bedtime. This is because it can cause lethargy, which isn't a problem while you are sleeping. So you can sleep through most of the side effects. When dosing in the 1mg range, you will be waking up with numb hands every morning. This is due to the GH increase Prami provides.
I'll post a few links and stuff you guys can read to get more information. I just hope this helps to people looking for alternatives to Caber.
this link is a very long forum, but the first few pages have a TON of information. I highly recommend reading the first couple pages if you want to know the extra benefits of prami.
http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthread.php?30264-Pramipexole-and-prolac...
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?387247-Cabergoline-vs-Pramipexo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pramipexole
This last one is off topic, but interesting read. Apparently Prami has helped many people with social anxiety and depression
http://www.socialanxietysupport.com/forum/f30/the-pramipexole-experiment...
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AnonAnyone find that prami helps with trensomnia?
Anonyup..works wonder for me..Im on both now, I still wake up a couple times in the night though
Funny you posted this today. I started a thread talking about my experiences with prami just this morning.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/prami-my-expe....
I just read that now, sounds similar to mine. I noticed the waking up in middle of night the first week I took it.
Now I take 1mg daily and get a full 8-9hrs sleep each night uninterrupted and wake up more refreshed than ever.
AnonVery good article. I knew prami raised GH but didnt know it raised it up to 300%
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Totally agree. I was just telling another member on here via PM, I was on another forum and this guy was saying he will never touch caber again, it gave him carpal tunnel. He had numbness that didn't go away in his hand so saw his doc and the doc was like shocked he got it without a prescription and got mad at him, said that he has nerve damage and it was a direct result from the Caber. The guy was using .5mg E5D I believe. I know that's probably rare, but it IS a side effect of caber and I don't really wanna take that chance after reading that. Idk I'm kinda undecided.
holy shit good too know big Mac!
Yea why mess with caber?
Good read before the cycle with deca I did this is pretty much what I came up with and chose to have prami on hand rather than caber.
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AnonI never tried Caber, but I love some Prami. Helps me sleep, and tomorrow Im actually getting blood tests, so we shall see how well the prami works (and if its legit)
I have tried both. I prefer and enjoy Prami. I know it works for sure for me.
Anonfr sent.. I would like to know your source
I use EP, but gwp is cool too
If you check out my pics you can find a good source for prami.
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