Need to do more research into this as it seems like a good alternative to cycling all the time.

good but might have given me sun spots brown spots on my face.

So I might not use anymore.

Might have been the cjc no dac or the ghrp 2

I really want to spot inject my forearms because well they are my week suite.

I did 100mcg ed and it gave me some okay forearms pumps better than aas has ever given me.

In fact aas never gave me any pumps what so ever just water muscle. But still liked the results. Just not what I was expecting out of aas.

Also igf lr 3 the results are very apparent immediately . Not like aas were you have to wait a while for them to kick in.

I injected my biceps each every day. Got some okay bi pumps as well.

Can I pm you with some more questions

FOUND ON ANOTHER BOARD. THIS IS THE PART I FOUND MOST USEFUL. ARTICLE IS VERY LONG FR AND PM ME FOR THE REST. THANKS

This was written by a guy who has researched this stuff for 13 years and followed the work of Dave Palumbo and seems to be the best information out there on IGF-1 LR3. Leads me to the conclusion that 20mcg post workout bilateral injections would be best on workout days only. Anyway, Read up:

"What do we want? Bigger muscles. More muscle cells that we will later grow with exercise and gear. A pump? Fatloss? Yeah, right. You can get a pump with a good "pump" product for a quarter of the price of IGF-1. Fatloss? Clen/Alb and T3/T4 will give it to you again at a fraction of the price of IGF-1. More muscle cells, you can ONLY get with IGF-1 (and MGF too). Nothing else will give it to you and if you are using IGF-1 for anything else, you are misusing it. More muscle cells is CLEARLY the best use for IGF-1.

What does all this tell us?

It tells us that we should use IGF-1 to make more muscle cells. It's the only thing that can give it to us and more cells is more growth, which is our goal.

What does this tell us?

The localized effects are the best. Long R3 IGF-1 can float around your body and attach to anything that has IGF-1 receptors. The intestines is the place that has the MOST IGF-1 receptors and it also happens to have lots of blood flow. Injecting large amounts of Long R3 ENSURES that you are growing your intestines. Remember, more cells doesn't equal more size right away. Wait a bit, and see them grow.

What does this mean?

It means that if you are injecting upwards of 50mcg of IGF-1 you are growing your intestines. Yes you are also growing muscle and you may be getting leaner in the process. Your waistline looks trimmer. Nice. A few months down the line, your new intestinal cells will be of their full adult size and you will have acquired the perma-bloat look. Guaranteed. Maybe not Coleman-size perma-gut, but SOME perma-gut and it will keep growing. Guaranteed. Just as your new muscle cells can keep growing and growing IF you pin IGF-1 in a way to maximize new muscle cell creation.

HOW?

Heavy resistance exercise strongly upregulates the IGF-1 receptors on the stressed muscle. That means that after your workout, the muscles you trained are at their BEST STATE for receiving IGF-1 and growing many new cells. That's when you pin. This upregulation of IGF-1 receptor during exercise is short-lived. The science is not readily available so I am unable to quote a paper, but within 60 minutes of the last set, the receptors are back at baseline. This means, PIN IMMEDIATELY POSTWORKOUT and you will get your new muscle cells. PIN A LESSER AMOUNT and you will get only new MUSCLE cells out of your IGF-1. Pin more and you will grow other things, including stuff you wish you didn't grow.

What else?

All the talk about IGF-1's half-life is UTTER BULLSHIT. It is technicality without any real-world applicability. Yes rhIGF-1 has a "short half-life". But what does it mean? It means that it is either taken up by a cell receptor or bound up by a binding protein in short order. Does it mean that 20 minutes after the IGF-1 is pinned you should pin more because "blood levels are low"? Not by any means. Once it's activated a cell receptor, that's where it initiates a cellular response that will take about 72 hours to be complete and which will consume lots of energy. So the half-life of 20 minutes means NOTHING BECAUSE THE EFFECTS STILL LAST 72 HOURS ALL THE SAME.

What about Long R3 IGF-1?

Yes technically it has a longer half-life. Why? Because it either gets rapidly taken up by a cell receptor or... Just floats around. Until it can find a receptor or is destroyed by the immune system or some other metabolizing mechanism. BUT THIS MEANS NOTHING!!! Why does it mean nothing? BECAUSE once it attaches to a cell receptor, it initiates a cellular response that will take about 72 hours to be complete. THIS CELLULAR RESPONSE IS ALL THAT INTERESTS US. Not "blood levels", that's utter bullshit. As a matter of fact, the one thing YOU DO NOT WANT IS FOR BLOOD LEVELS OF IGF-1 TO BE ELEVATED. Because that means you are growing everywhere and this means first and foremost your guts. Sure it feels like it's working while you're on. Just you wait 9 months and see that you look like Craig Kovacs. Bravo, you now have the biggest intestines in the world.

Half-life means nothing. Localized vs systemic = bad argument. You want localized effects. Period. You get them by pinning immediately postworkout. Period. End of argument.

OMFG I am so tired of all the misinformation floating around on IGF-1. Look at the length of this post. Did you read all of it? You should, you know."

so yall use bac water and it can stay at room temp? thats prety cool. im very interested in trying it especially for localized growth calves and forearms. i read something about how past a certain dose it WILL go to your intestines and grow new cells there causing permament gut. i believe it was 60 mcg. it was written by a igf lr 3 guru type guy. let me see if i can link the article.

FR sent =)

This sounds familiar...
The first time I ran IGF I did it the last two weeks of my cycle and through PCT as well. I saw minute gains through PCT and kept virtually everything I had gained...for months. It was a cutting run and I feel like the IGF helped lean me out a little more than just my "supps." Not to mention I was starving all the time and slept like a rock.

I started at 10mcg post workout and stuck with it through the first run. In successive runs I used 20mcg post workout and saw pretty good results.

My current run is at 30mcg PRE-workout and the pumps are unreal. I feel like it robs some of my strength shooting preworkout though, but my gains are still climbing.

I just alternate between shoulders and it seems to work fine for me. I guess the theory behind that is that the IGF is in your bloodstream within a few seconds and your body will naturally pump it to the muscles you've just worked. My shoulders didn't grow at a different rate than the rest of my body, at least that I noticed. I used to hit my quads, but my muscles start spazzing out when I jab that needle in...so fuck that. HOWEVER, I did notice that my arms blew up, and everything stays hard...lol...

My first two runs were with a different supplier and they seemed to work a little bit better than the stuff from a different company that I'm running now. However, I used to keep my stuff in the fridge all day and it was cold until the second I pinned it. Now my stuff stays at room temp. every day. I mix with acetic acid and I read a lab on the degradation of IGF over 2 years stored in AA at 98 degrees and it was negligible. I'll see if I can find it later. I don't know if it's the new company or the way I'm running it now. I have changed too many variables in the 5 runs I've done.

Now to address your questions. I run mine for four weeks, only on days that I lift. The only time I pin on weekends is when I'm busting my ass all day at work.

I usually take two to three weeks off between runs. That seems to be plenty of time for me.

And yes, there does seem to be some difference in some suppliers. I FRed you. PM me if you want to discuss what suppliers those were.

I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice the change in different labs.

I need some direction on other peptides to run. I've got some ideas I've been tossing around, but I'd like to hear about some proven stuff.

Good to read about the localized gains. I've ran Igf-lr3 twice but both times I only used PW and administerd sub-q. I'll be running it again soon this time with peg-mgf and I'm going to do all site injections.

Ive wondered about IGF and I recall a few years ago when it was making a big roar about being localized with gains.
I posted on a diff site thats gone now about it and a guy whos screen name was AjDos said that his experience turned out to be one similar to GH in that he started developing the gut.
His gains were local for a little while and then went systemic.
Im still interested in it but only if there are localized effects. Would like bigger calves.
j223, are your gains sticking around? What measurable gains did you experience?

hey j im looking for a good source on legit igf. im gona shoot u a pm

Even with the same brand i notice a decline in gains, i am not sure if local gains are true(up to 75mcg Bilateral).Its suppose to bind locally first then stay "active" until destroyed. But anecdotes/placebo results from friends and myself seem like they work. But could be from a result of better focus in training or nutrients/blood flow to the area from the INSANE pumps. I use it along with Mod GRF (1-29) and GHRP-2.

I use it during PCT also with good results, but seems like a rest of 8 weeks works well.
Spaced dosing or dosing only on lifting days worked best, also after lifting go straight to a bathroom stall and do it post workout. Best results from that style versus driving home and doing it. Make sure its a IM shot not dermal or sub-q.

AA seems like what everyone is using, but i feel that if you use it quick and keep it cold as possible. You can just use bacteriostatic or just plain old NaCl water.

I also like bilateral, if its the bicep I will hit 4+ spots on the bicep.

That's awesome that is solidified your gains and u didn't lose any between cycles I'm interested in trying that.