+ 1 MY E2 LEVEL, TOO HIGH? THOUGHTS?
I’m on 160 mg test cyp 200, recently posted my blood work on another post and just now got my ultra sensitive test back. Sitting at 75.4. I know there’s many different opinions but I do feel like I have side effects. No sensitive nips no gyno nothing like that but sex drive is down for sure, daily headaches, harder to maintain and erection and slightly moody. Nothing crazy but I’m def a bit off for sure. My goal is to get on a dose where I don’t need to supplement with other drugs to maintain. So any suggestions? This is what steps Iv taken next to hopefully lower it enough to “feel” better . Not sure what the range is but I can tell this is too high for me.
- Lowered the dose to 140mg weekly. Is this enough? Should I drop it more?
- Orignally doing 2x weekly injections. Moved to Mon, wed, friday.
I know I can take an AI but my goal is to not have to. I’m at 1376 test level so if I can get it still in the 1000 range and control my e2 id much rather. If I do have to start an AI what do you recommend arimidex or aromisan? I like the idea of aromisan killing off the estrogen that circulating instead of just binding to it like arimidex. When I start one of these how long do I wait to recheck my levels to see if I’m taking enough? I’d start with a low dose once a week and see if it’s enough to get me in range. This would be last resort
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You can start taking DIM (Diindolylmethane) and Calcium D-Glucarate, OTC supplements you can get online.
If you're 5'0 and 198, get the weight down. As others mentioned, body fat contributes to aromatization.
Those sups should help while you're grinding brother.
Don’t watch any mildly sad Disney movies you’ll cry
They are all sad!
Not if you hate your dad killing off the dad in the first act only bothers people with good fathers
Lmao!
Honestly, yea they almost all are
Not a Disney movie but having four daughters the end of Armageddon always gets me. No I’m not gay.
I have 2 daughter and a son. The movie my sisters keeper fucked me up!
The worst part is there are real parent’s who behave like that out there.
Yup. Family’s get destroyed when a child dies or has a serious illness. It’s a sad movie that depicts the dark side of reality.
Never seen it. Just looked it up. God damn.
If you watch it while on tren it’s not that bad lol.. seriously tho it’s a good movie. One of the few movies I’ve seen that will cause me to shed a single tear.
There’s a few things here that are big missing pieces.
What’s your SHBG? What’s your Free T? And honestly, post your full labs (redact your info). Total T by itself doesn’t tell the story.
For example, I run very low SHBG and my E2 usually lands in the 50-100 range on TRT, and I don’t get the sides you’re describing. The symptoms don’t always line up with the number, it depends heavily on SHBG, injection frequency, bodyfat, and how stable your peaks/troughs are.
If you’ve got a bit of a gut, that’s still considered a lot of fat for aromatization. That alone can push E2 up. Dropping calories and adding low-intensity cardio does more for estrogen control than most guys realize.
Your dose is also just high. Like blast level dose, even though your total per week is low. Do you feel like you’re on a rollercoaster? I know I would!
75 mg twice a week is going to spike both T and E2 for most people. If you want to lower aromatization without touching an AI, the easiest fix is frequency:
Try EOD or daily shots. Something like 20-25mg per day flattens the curve and you’ll feel the difference within a week.
Lower dose + higher frequency = much steadier E2 without crashing it.
Post your full labs though. SHBG and Free T will explain a lot.
Ok I see what your saying, I have my full work up dec1 these labs are just ones I bought myself because I didn’t wanna wait feeling like this for another month. I should have added in those tests that’s my fault. Still new to this as when I was younger I would run cycles irresponsibly with no bloodwork in my college years. I’ll see if I can schedule to get those done and I will update my post. Thanks for the info I appreciate it and I’ll try dropping the dose. This week I moved to EOD injections instead of 2x weekly so I’m hoping dropping the dose and doing that will help
Agreed. Being lean is incredibly overlooked for estrogen management. The best thing anyone could do for themselves is to be lean before starting TRT.
You could try dropping it to 100mg a week? Thats all I need to maintain energy, libido, maintain gains etc.
Have you run labs on 150mg in the past? Its odd if this is something youve run before but are now experiencing side effects. The body changes as we tax it. peoppe develop conditions. I cant tell much of a difference between 100 and 150mg a week. I dont think youll be dissipointed with the effects of 100mg, if youre concerned about that.
No sir I did not, long story short I played college hockey and back then I was young and dumb and could care less about repercussions nor did I even know any existed. I would hop on cycles during the season then hop off (with pct) but because I was in college I never got blood work. I did the ol blast and pray method. I was never super aggressive with dosing tho I would say I was smart enough to not play with things that was beyond my level.iv done a few 500mg test runs, some anavar, winstrol and alittle deca but nothing crazy mg wise . After running test at 500 for 20 weeks I got alittle nipple sensitivity but nothing crazy(thank god I must be pretty resistant to gyno considering I’m at 72 e2 now I could only imagine what I was at for those 20 weeks on 500)with that said I still get high e2 sides like I’m having now. I don’t care much about being slightly uncomfortable back then because I knew it was short lived. Now I’m 32 with a couple kids and finally got my balls snipped so I figured now would be a good time to get on TRT and my natural levels were 218 anyways. Now my goal is to find a dose where I’m around 1000 and can manage my estrogen with no other meds. I don’t want to have to take meds to fix side effects of another med. now if I was gunna do a small cycle in between that’s different I’d be fine with short term AI I just don’t want my baseline to consist of one. So I started at 160mg and my test came back 1372. That was injecting 2x a week. Hemat was 52.7 as well and cholesterol was on the high side but still in range. I’m hoping by moving down to 140mg and injecting eod will be enough to get my levels down including my test since it was over 1000. If it’s not enough I’ll try sticking to the 140 and u injecting daily or move down to maybe 130 and try again. I want the most benefit on trt with the least side effects.so now I’m just going to have to keep trying things and retesting unfortunately until I find it.
I’m 5’9 198 . I’m also running 2iu hgh and 1mg reta weekly and iv been dropping weight pretty steadily . Doing about 4-6 miles a day and trying to keep my protein up while on the reta. I started at 209 3 weeks ago so it’s definitely moving.
That dose is a cycle. 75mg ONCE a week. Wheres your Dr?
I go to a urologist not a clinic. I’m sure he’s going to lower me when he sees my levels. I’m not sure why he gave me so much but I didn’t want to complain. I’d rather get more than I need and adjust myself. What should I bring it down too? Is 140 a week still too much? Also if I drop my dose drastically will my estrogen sky rocket even higher since I’m not in an AI?
Are you overweight?
Thats pretty intense aromatization for your test level, losing weight (fat) can dramatically decrease it.
I mean Im not fat I have a slight gun but not fat I’m 5’o about 198. 4-6 miles a day low intensity cardio along with working out 5 times a week . I assume I’ll drop more l.unless u think I’m fat then I guess I am lmao
Typo I’m 5’9 198-200lbs
I gotcha, I definitely recommend getting lean and dropping to 100mg a week first and foremost. You won't regret it, and you'll be able to leverage more test the leaner you are in the future.
All the way down to 100mg? You think that much? I was hoping by doing eod injections instead of 2x weekly and moving down to 140 I’d be right around 1000 give or take and hopefully get my estrogen into the 50s . If I were to drop that much could I just go right for it? Or would I need to taper down? Just don’t want anymore crazy sides popping up from fluctuation but I’m if you think that’s the best option I’ll try that next. I adjusted recently so I was going to retest in about 2 weeks and see where I’m at on the regimen. If I’m still far off I’ll drop to the 100. I guess I’m worried that I’m doing all this shit and I’ll end up with a 400-500 test level but having to stick myself everyday. I want to atleast be closer to the top range if possible
5'0 198lbs? Not sure if that is a typo or not. But either way the less body fat you have, the less testosterone will be able to aromatize. You have your injection frequency correct with multiple injections throughout the week to help limit aromatization. If you really want to avoid using an AI, dial your weekly dose back to 100mg, get very lean, and then titrate your dose up from there to find where you feel and or look your best at. But if you feel great at 100mg then stay where you feel good at. When I I started TRT 100mg once weekly, I had sensational gyno (no mass accumulation), but dieted to get very lean, and now I'm at 220mg divided into 2 injections Sunday and Wednesday with e2 of 36 and I feel great. Never had to touch an AI, but if an AI is something you need, use it. If you don't have any interest in higher doses, follow what your urologist recommends. But definitely try to get lean, I think that will help substantially rather than throwing more medicine into the mix.
Ya my bad 5’9 198-200 roughly and ya I’m working on it in taking a low dose of reta and iv been dropping pretty quick. I just lowered to 140 I’ll recheck in 3-4 weeks and if it’s still out of control I’ll drop to 100mg weekly. I’m hoping eod injections and dropping 20mg will get me into the 50s atleast. My issue right now is low sex drive, irritable, oily skin but no gyno. Only time I had nipple sensitivity is when I ran 600mg for 20 weeks with no AI and it took around 18 weeks to get nipple sensitivity so I think I’m pretty resistant to those sides which I’m fortunate for but my main goal is to feel good again. Thanks for the advice I’ll reasses then go from there
I think the bottom line is you will feel much better the less pharmaceuticals you throw at your problem. I know you'd like to get away with running as much test with the least amount of side effects, but the best thing now is to get lean off of 100mg weekly without Reta or an AI, then once you're lean titrate up from there. Your total or free test levels mean nothing if you feel like crap. Cypionate has an 8 day half life so it takes roughly 4-5 weeks for your blood serum levels to reflect the current dose you are at. That being said, every day or every other day injections won't make a HUGE difference. You don't need to have gyno symptoms to prove you have high E2, your other symptoms you're describing all point at high E2. So what I would do and what worked for me is I spent 3 months at a 600 calorie deficit, 20k steps daily, and once I was lean enough to see lower ab veins I increased my test from 100 to 150 along with calories. Then I waited another month once and bumped up to 200. So it'll take some time to get completely dialed, but the less pharmaceuticals you need, the better you'll feel
kayileSounds like you're dialed in on figuring out what works best for you. Dropping the dose and changing injection frequency is a solid start. I've heard mixed things about Arimidex vs. Aromasin, hopefully someone with experience chimes in.
Personally prefer aromasin. Arimidex shifted my lipids more than aromasin at equivalent e2 suppression.
If you're cruising, you shouldn't need any ai though. And if you're blasting, DHT derivatives are much better than ai's if you aren't prone to acne or hair loss.