-2 Estrogen experiment
I have been adjusting my TRT dose to try and find a perfect dose where I don’t need an AI and can just cruise on it with no issues (hematocrit ,rbc , ect). I was at 1370 on 140mg test cyp a week. Hematocrit was 53.6, e2 was 86. About 5 weeks ago I switched to 112mg a week test cyp injecting EOD sub q instead of 2x weekly sub q . My new blood work showed my test levels at 1038, e2 at 79 and hemat at 52. My doctor says if I’m not getting sides to not worry about the estrogen. Is anyone out there running higher than normal estrogen levels? Just curious your experience with it.
As for estrogen I’m curious if moving from EOD injections to ED injections sub q really would make a big difference in my estrogen. While I don’t get bad sides I def feel slightly more anxiety and oily skin with the high e2 but other than that I’m fine. In a perfect world I’d like to try and get it down in the 60s if I can without lowering my dose since I’m hovering around 1000 now but if I have to I will of course.
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I would unfortunately I’m pretty prone to the gyno I’m sorry lol I will get alittle itchy nips which will turn into a small lump once I break 300 without using an AI but it takes a few months. I just don’t love the idea of taking something as powerful as an AI forever
80 is sky high for estrogen. I went full panic one time when mine came back at 60ish. No sides but couldn't stop checking my tits.
Hit some adex and my cock has been entering rooms before the rest of me ever since.
Don't be afraid of an AI. Just don't TANK ur E2. It's all a balancing act. Your Dr is trying to balance your hormones as if you were just a regular guy, but you're on EROIDS buddy. You're obviously interested in much more than "trt".
It's because he is a fat fuck and should learn what diet and exercise is first. This ass clown posts shit like this once a week and some of them he will then delete the whole forum when he is called out on how stupid he is.
Also to play devils advocate I have aro on hand because I like the thought of a suicide pill instead of arimidex that just binds it. If I take say 2 doses of aro weekly wouldn’t these doses keep stacking in each other and every month my estrogen will continue to get lower and lower u til I crash it? I read that AI bible post where the guy pretty much said aromisin will continue to lower e2 for 2-3 days then start to regenerate estrogen around 5-7 days. would you dose it once a week for say a month then get blood work to see where I’m at? My doctor said he would give me whatever but doesn’t think I need it so Iv just been riding it out. I was saving it for a blast when I do need it but I can always get more
See I’m not getting that from everyone that’s why I ask your opinion. Iv heard from people here and my doctor (again not to come off as a know it all I’m just telling you what I was told) that 80 is higher but not for concern u less you have gyno sides. These people say 100 and above is worry territory. The only problem is I have no symptoms nipple wise. I feel legit fine. I have slightly oily skin and I’m just looking for something to pick out I think. I’m not so much scared of an AI but just the thought of having to use something like that forever while having to monitor it seems a lot more work then trying to get my shit lower naturally that’s why I’m trying to daily injections first I have aromisin on hand
Oh fuck here we go again......
I just saw....1 month and Hella forums.
This is one of those guys that asks questions but supposedly already knows all the answers.
100% dude remember when I said just wait.. here are again with this ass clown and his dumb ass posts LMAO
MY DOCTOR IS A HARVARD GRAD
Does it bother you in some way? Is there a secret club here where you have to hit so many months in here to engage with other people? Wasn’t aware of one. Pretty easy to keep scrolling if you don’t like it
Why are u such a dick rider always following me down voting my shit. You got some weird fucking obsession with wanting my dick in your mouth or something? I’m petty as fuck I can run your shit down too so up to you
Listen here you fucking ass clown maggot, I did not down vote you but I am now and this is just another example of how fucking stupid you are because your mom dropped you on your head and you have a fart pocket for a brain. If only she would have done the world a favor and swallowed back then. P.S. your dick isn't suckable it's diseased and small.
Im a tad turned on rn... plz stop
I was in a similar situation, with similar numbers. I lowered my dose from 140 titrated down over about 6 months to 70 mg a week inject every 3.5 days bloods drawn 36 hours post injection.
Ya I’m starting to think I have to bite the bullet and lower the dose. I was hoping I could stay in the upper range but it’s just not worth worrying about it. I’m also not sure if 5 weeks is enough time for me to see a full change in blood work so I was going to wait 4 more and retest and if it’s not significantly lower I’ll drop to 100 a week . I’d rather save the meds for when I want to play around with other compounds but I’d rather not be chasing things when I’m just on my trt dose
Yeah 5 weeks probably isn’t enough time to see the full effects of lowering your dose. I dropped down slowly to avoid feeling like shit, but I feel good now and will be ready for a trt plus cycle soon. Good luck
Ya I agree unfortunately my appt fell on the 5 week mark and it was free so I said fuck it run it anyways lol. What are you going to add in for a compound? I found a weird blend of test, mast, primo but after looking into the reviews a lot of people really like it. Usually I’d do one or the other but with everything hard to find I think I’m going to try it out
Not sure yet I have some deca, mast, dbol, Adrol, Tbol, and winny on hand,. I am thinking of getting some eq and giving that a go for the first time. Still have a couple more months to plan before I start.
Cancer
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3134227/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3134227/#:~:text=Epidemiologica....
Titty cancer too
https://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/men-w-high-estrogen-could-hav...
Hypertension...heart issues
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4872673/
Broken dick....
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/estrogen-in-men
Prolactin raises, sbgh raises, fat levels raises, this is simply common sense backed by medical works
Ya Iv heard all this but my doctor is a urologist and specializes in cancer he’s not a regular TRT doctor and he said I’m at no risk. Even at 80 there’s no risk other than nipple sensitivity and at that point he said lower dose. I’d like to stay where I am and get it lower naturally so just curious if people have gone from eod to ed and seen big drop in e2.
Weird thing is I have no issues with it higher other than alittle anxiety and maybe slightly moody sometimes but who’s to say it’s that. When I lower it with an AI my dick don’t work right for like 2 days then it’s normal again lol I think everyone’s just so different
Then why ask? You know it all....?
Asking about Ed injections vs EOD injections. Didn’t ask about how estrogen could affect the body. I have a doctor for that who does have the answers. Asking for real world tests that people have done.
If you have a Dr, and you're UNDER HIS GUIDANCE. then why TF are you on the Internet asking random ppl to help you with ur "experiments"?
i mean comon man. It very thinly veiled that you're here just to argue with everyone. Like ur wife treats you like total shit, so you just fire up AOL and come here and start shit with the whole crew.
Get a life bozo. And let's see them big milky jugs and supple nipples.
Fuckin washed up guys in their 40s thinking they know shit lmao. Fucking probably bald fucking absolute trash bags trying to to flex on a website lol. I’m sure your out there pounding milfs probably just out there beggin for some pig whores trying to get your tren dick in something.
You are a really dumb mother fucker and we can all tell by your stupid fucking posts all the time. I guarantee your fat as fuck, no gym skills, so fucking ugly that even your hand turns you down and now you cant figure out how to get ripped because you are taking all this stuff and know it all. So then you go and post the most stupid fucking topics I have ever seen on this site. It's a repeat, it's a retarded fuck posting at least once a week.
Then why are you asking cunt? And I’m in my 20s thank you very much
Also I don’t argue with anyone it’s just when you clowns come around swinging ur dick like you think you know everything. The amount of stupid info that has spewed out of your mouths in wild to me. like This fucking idiot telling people that if your on test every single person should be on an AI. You can have opinions all u want I don’t care lol.
I mean I can have a Dr with direction and still ask others what they do? Why do you care so much if what your doing works for you keep doing it. I asked what others experiences are experimenting with different injections schedules . Not arguing with anyone if you don’t like my questions keeps scrolling idk what to tell you. Posting random links to what estrogen can do to men didn’t answer my question. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Pick ur pussy up off the floor
You are arguing like a woman. All starting to make sense.
I’m gunna take an aromisin then we can finish this tomorrow when my estrogen is down. Don’t u fucking move til I’m back cunt
Your probably right
Maybe run some DIM aka diindolylmethane and calcium D‑glucarate
I have some but I got mixed results. Some say it infers with test levels other says it’s useless. Not sure about it I might give it a shot . Haven’t had anyone give solid proof with bloods to show it works
it's good to take with trt since it helps regulate estrogen. Natural test levels you don't really have to worry about at this point
DIM makes my poops gigantic. Literally life altering, full panic, sweating and praying to God huge
But I do appreciate the natural estrogen and free test support. My butthole doesn't.
I’ll have to find the link I read but to paraphrase it was saying DIM from 100-300mg does something with blocking androgens and some say taking it with TRT could actually work against you. This is just some shit I read and I didn’t look too much into it but I’ll give it a shot if you think it might do alittle something. I know it takes some time to work anyways. I’ll run it for a month and recheck to see if there’s any difference and report back
I find the recent fascination with estrogen strange. Unless your growing tits don't worry about it. Why care if your estrogen is high on paper?
I never use AIs
But I also don't think AIs are the devil I just don't like adding unneeded drugs
I’m with you on this one, I use very very minimal ai
I’m right there with you , funny thing is my dick isn’t broken but when I even use 6.25mg of aromasin my erections suck for like 2-3 days then it comes back so really not a big issue but I don’t buy the cancer risk. Keep in mind I’m going to a urologist who’s specializing in cancer and hormone replacement an when asked about this he said it’s bullshit. This isn’t some TRT clinic quack he a Harvard grad with some extensive background. I’m not going to say he’s the best doctor around but I trust him more than most of the other TRT doctors Iv had. He actually explains why he doesn’t believe in things. If I’m getting sore nips he thinks I should lower dose. I’m more just curious if switching to daily injections could lower it enough to get rid of my slight mood swings and oily skin.
I think more frequent pins will probably make a difference
Are you carrying much body fat? That seems to influence estrogen a lot also
I’m def not super lean im 5’10 190 and im running alittle Reta as well. My goal is to hit roughly 180. I’m going to try the ED injections and see what happens.