Mild First Cycle, pct questions
so i have some questions, hopefully i can get some good feedback.
im sure this has been covered somewhere however my patience at a computer are limited when digging for threads in forums...
im on my fouth week of a ten week Bio-Test 400 cycle, its my first cycle of injectables (done pro hormones previously)... so im 400Mgs per week (1cc). im 38, 205lbs as of today, and starting to look good imo.
i chose a 10 week cycle to be mild, and see how i react to it, alls well, some nice gains, and feel great, i chose a 10 week cycle to keep sides (if any), to a minimum. as of right now my balls are becoming like grapes on strings lol, i just noticed yesterday they are getting smaller, or maybe im paranoid....bahahaha
i geuss im considering this a "training cycle" if you will.
so now my question is this, when should i start taking things to "come off" some people tell me start clomid on your 6th week some say after your last inj....its getting confusing.
i have 2 PCT options that i have in hand... liquid clomid (oral) and liquid torem (oral) im on the fence of what to take or do, as there are so many opinions being smashed into my face by all my friends..... (whom also continuously make fun of me for not doing a bigger stacked cycle....lol, bastards)
i also will take this, i know its supplement based, but another freind of mine had good results with it, and its cheap so ill add it to the mix
http://www.supplementcentral.com/better-body-sports-complete-pct-300-cap...
if you need any more info from me lemme know, any and all help is appreciated very much... i know most you guys have been around the block a few times... so itll be good to hear what you may have to say. its all new to me, so im learning, and will continue to learn... thanks for your help.
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cdaddy7I wouldn't have used a blend on 1st Cyle...but to each his own...You need a PCT plan...
PCT should be started 15 days after your last injection
Toremifene 90/60/60/30
Clomid 100/100/50/50
HypernovaThat's a very high dose of Clomid with conjunct use with toremifene. Toremifene already binds antagonistically in the hypothalamus. A weaker clomid dose would be better most likely.
zewiClomiphene works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone.
hypothalamus--is responsible for TRH(tyroid), PRh(prolactin,)CRH(ACTH), GnRH(hormon that affect the pituitary to do its job for releasing sex hormones "LH", GHRh growth hormone...
pituitary--is responsible for TSH(thyriod) LH(luteinizing hormone--this is sent to the testis so it can make test) FSH(this makes sperm work) PRL(prolactin) GH(Growth hormone)
Hope i got it all...:)
Clomid and Toremifene block estogen in different parts--and you need that to help recovery.. You need both to make a better recovery.
so what in your opinion would be a good PCT, i have the TOREM, i need to figure out dosages.
this isnt a huge cycle so im assuming the PCT wont be aggressive like a heavier cycle?
should i take the torem with CLOMID? if so what would be proper doses for both? can i run the TOREM solo?
thanks for the info man, much appreciated
HypernovaYou do realize that the pituitary is in the hypothalamus right? Also Clomid doesn't just block it in the pituitary it blocks it in the entire hypothalamus.
Toremifene and Clomid follow the same pathway.
zewiWell that's news to me..JK you do no that the Pituitary Gland and the Hypothalamus release different Hormones don't you. They rely on each other.
But, since the hypothalamus is so intimately associated with the pituitary, it should make sense to you that the hypothalamus can particularly affect the pituitary gland. It has a kind of bizarre way to accomplish that... especially if you consider the anterior pituitary
HypernovaSo? I don't understand how that matters. We're discussing toremifene and clomifene.
Both drugs bind antagonistically in the hypothalamus, however some of the toremifene binds in the breast (and they both are bone agonists, but that doesn't really matter here).
That's why you should take a low dose of clomid with toremifene.
zewiand yes i no
---the blood vessels running away from the hypothalamus run directly into the anterior pituitary from the hypothalamus, before continuing their journey through the body
Im not retarded and im not saying the dose was right.. I was just adding to the fucking post---FUCK I HATE YOU SUPERNOVA!!!
Hypernova"Clomid and Toremifene block estogen in different parts--and you need that to help recovery.. You need both to make a better recovery. :)"
I was merely correcting you. No need to get hostile. Now you know that they don't block estrogen in different parts. They block it in the same parts of the brain.
zewiWell i could go back and fix my mistake cause you already posted.
HypernovaSorry, that wasn't my intention. I didn't know you made a mistake. If you already knew then me posting was sort of pointless.
zewiall good.. i just hate when i make a mistake when typing when im thinking 100 different things.
zewiBang bang.. im late today to every thread.
Well props for you to not listening to your friends and doing a test only cycle...im assuming biotest 400 is Test E 400? well they got you right down there with the pct. but you have an ai? and are you splitting your test into two different shots or are you taking one dose a week?
its a blend yeas 3 esters, prop/enth/deccanate
no AI, other then 50 mgs of zinc per day
1 injection x 1cc per week
Agree with massive pct 2 weeks after last injection. His pct protocol is by the book.
STATS PLZ.
You should always run a standard pct 15 days after last shot..
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
What ai r u running??!?
R u runnin a blend test 400?
Always go with 1 compound n a long ester on ur first run like test E or C cuz if u get sides u wont know wat is causing the sides..
hey guys, sorry it took so long, ive been working doubles this last week, economy sucks, gotta take the money when its found right?
stats are as follows:
38 years old white male, 5'11" 205 lbs, medium build, i look good, way better then 5 weeks ago thats for sure.
on and off lifting for about 6/7 years (9/10 months then stop...) last 6 months has been completely dedicated to the gym. i do boxing and ju jitsu on off days. for active rest. diet is normal, appetite has gone up since starting the test. however i cant eat 6/7/8 times a day like some of you guys, i watch what i eat but am not a nazi, lots of chicken, tuna, steak (i try to get all meat from a butcher that grain feeds, as they dont feed the animals soy)....
as far as AI? im not taking anything other than 50mgs of zinc per day. is there a suggestion of something you can refer me to?
i have heard about the running of 1 compound, but after reading about the Bio-Test 400 blend, it sounded like more of what i wanted, a fast acting med and slow acting esters...im doing 1cc per week (however IF i was to do another small short cycle like this, id split either 1cc up to 1/2cc 2 times a week, or just go 1cc 2 times a week)i really like the propionate. lol.
i feel GREAT as of now, workouts are awesome, strength is great, recoup time is awesome. alpha male thinking is def here, no sides as of yet (knock on wood) the only complaint i have is that the injections are sore for a full week, that shit hits like a truck.
ill try and figure out how to post pictures and get a couple up.
HAHA...good stuff sir.
STATS!!...and AI??...and what's in the blend???
...everything I was exactly thinking when I read his info.!!!
Thank you sir, just tryin to help this mofo.lol
X2! Before he wears a new bra.....ai?