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Currently running 750iu Hcg eod, 75iu Hmg eod, aromison 6.25 eod, and low dose test 30mg eod. I tried to drop the test and felt like shit so I added it back in at a low dose. I also tried running Hcg at 2000iu it made me have crazy mood swings, and felt like my prostate was swollen like I had to piss all day. The hcg still makes me feel like I got to piss all the time.. my libido is off too, I upped the aromison to 12.5 eod.. I feel like that maybe too much aromison! My acne cleared up I think I may have low estrogen now im gonna skip the aromison for a few days and see how I feel.. I have clomid on hang as well.... I thought about dropping test and running proviron, in other countries they prescribe it for infertility.. someone who knows there shit please help a bro out.... PLEASE!! I just wanna get my ole lady pregnant and hope back on gear.... HELP

T-Raww18's picture

Hey bro, I was just going to post something on this topic and wanted some feedback from the vets who have been there and achieved conception…..

So I’ve been reading some studies on testosterone and the shut down of HPTA/LH + FSH production. It turns out this product “natesto” intranasal spray given 3x per day does not shut down said parameters…. Here’s the study- https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2020.572465/full

Anyway, I’m on a fertility protocol while recovering from an injury/surgery so I feel that NO TEST at all will be more detrimental to my overall health than having a minimum replacement dose. Based on this type of data I was thinking about running test no ester maybe 1x ED or 2x ED to mimick this natesto product but I’m not EXACTLY sure of the half life of TNE (oil based from NoExcuses) which is by the way the most painless TNE ever. Anyways, does anyone know the real exact half life of test no water in oil? Not test suspension in water. And would this be a better idea during fertility protocol than say running Enanthate or cypionate? Would propionate be short enough to make a difference in recovery rate with the fertility drugs? As of now I’m definitely going to atleast use prop and possibly TNE instead based on replies and actual experience. I think it would be an interesting study to find out exactly how much an ester contributes to function of HPTA, anything closer to the natural pulsatile release seems to have less reduction in function. We’ll see. Good luck man

JFit253's picture

I personally would not use TNE for this. Just stick to cyp/enanth then you can inject less often with less oil

When it comes to natural pulsatile release, TNE drops too fast. I would assume cyp would be the closest while dosed less often

T-Raww18's picture

Alright, appreciate it. Moved to 62.5mg cyp 3x a week for 187.5 total test dose.
Hcg-1500 iu eod
Hmg75iu eod
Enclomiphene-25mg ed

Thinking of adding proviron 25mg ed but I see mixed reviews on Sperm count and proviron…

trash300's picture

500 HCG EOD
75 HMG EOD
100 CYPIONAT MO AND FR
50 PROVIRON ED
4IU GH ED (OPTIONAL)

3G DAA
3G BLACK MACA
D3 + K2 CAPSULE
3G VIT C
400-600IU VIT E
60MG ZÍNC

Run this till your wife is pregnant.

NO SERMS!

T-Raww18's picture

Hey can you elaborate on the no SERMS? I am using pharmaceutical androxal. (Enclomiphene) I should drop it and use proviron???

BlakeYoppa's picture

Thanks man can I replace the cyp with prop? I like prop but I got some 400mg cyp/enth I could switch too im gonna use your method..
I have heard proviron helps fertility man? I will damn sure add it in if it helps

trash300's picture

No mate, please use cyp u'll see u feel much better!
Yeah, cause the low test Proviron helps u the keep the free test higher, can help to increase the sperm mobility and keeps your SHBG in range ! Use 50-75mg.

BlakeYoppa's picture

I ordered cyp and 50mg proviron and adex for ai

BlakeYoppa's picture

Okay bro thanks for the advice bout to order some I will never take clomid again I've never felt so off in my life I said fuck it cause I'm currently waiting on my test to come in so I got a few dbol from my boss I know it's taking a step in the other direction but what I am currently doing isn't correct if I take all your guys advice what should I use as an ai... they say not to take aromison so adex? The hcg seems to all aromitize when running it with test

trash300's picture

Its unnecessry if u run already HMG/HCG , both stimulates your LH and FSH already more than enough, patience is the key here Smile

BlakeYoppa's picture

Yeah your right I'll run test at 100mg man I feel fucking insane on clomid and very aggressive if I take that shit our relationship will be shit regardless I feel brain fog like a mf. Does that feeling go away?

T-Raww18's picture

Have you tried enclomiphene? I’ve had zero sides so far (2 weeks in 25mg ed) clomid made me emotional as fuck. I’d cry listening to music that made me think of something sad lol. Fuck clomid

BlakeYoppa's picture

Dude without it I feel like straight shit... I'll drop aromison

BlakeYoppa's picture

I have some test cyp/enth 400 I'm just gonna order a bottle of cyp

BlakeYoppa's picture

Would taking clomid while injecting 30mg test prop eod be pointless because clomid kicks on the pituitary and test turns it off? Seems like it would be a light switch lol on off on off.....

BlakeYoppa's picture

I'm gonna have to add the test back I can already feel the difference in my head space lol Ive been using prop I feel brain fogged and my fucking joints hurt.. I fucking hate this swollen godamn prostate this shit is annoying as fuck man I feel like I got to piss 24 seven

Makwa's picture

No test in your system is the worst feeling. Been there before being diagnosed with low T. I couldn't even function, complete brain fog and zero libido. Never want to feel that way again. I would have to have a fertility protocol that would coincide with my TRT.

BlakeYoppa's picture

Facts my whole body aches It's up there with opiate withdrawal!! I love test bro, I can't wait to blast again!

winmag4582001's picture

Well.
I was on fertility treatment from October 21 to February 22. Because of my prior PED usage the doctor put me on a fairly high dose.
3000iu of HCG M,W,F (9000iu wk)
25mg Clomid daily
Absolutely no other drugs!
It worked very well.
I can tell you from experience. If you are on a real fertility treatment you’re going to feel like total shit with zero sex drive. You’re going to be moody and lethargic with a swollen prostate.
Go to a urologist.

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T-Raww18's picture

Did you get the wife/gf pregnant?? On that protocol? Sperm analysis before- during ?

trash300's picture

This will defo make a lot sides but no fertility, 9000mg HCG is no fertility protocol , either a hardcore recovery but it will definitely not rise your FSH.

winmag4582001's picture

Not going to argue with you.
If you’re a doctor I’ll gladly give you the names of who we were working with at Conceptions along with Denver Urinary.

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BlakeYoppa's picture

Idk bro but it does me like that every single time I do hcg

winmag4582001's picture

According to the doctor the prostate feeds off the hormone that HCG stimulates. As does the cancer that generally infects the prostate.
Ask a urologist. I’m no doctor so I can only go off what they say.

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Makwa's picture

9000Iu of HCG. Must of felt like getting kicked in the nuts for awhile

winmag4582001's picture

Tender for a bit but not achey or painful.
My nuts were back to normal size within 2 months, and about two months was when I started feeling pressure around my taint and under my bladder from the prostate. I have no history of prostate problems in my family, but they still kept an eye on it.
Here’s some odds and ends I experienced with long term/high dose HCG…..
It doesn’t make your dick bigger. At all. Had a guy swear to me it would do that. It doesn’t. LOL
At the end my balls were noticeably bigger than normal but not giant.
I retained a lot of my gains and strength for quite a while. By the 5th month of my treatments I was only down about 12lbs and lost only about 10% on my lifts. When starting fertility treatments I had just come off a blast. I kept my diet and lifting the same during treatments.
I didn’t lose any “fat”. Some clinics claim HCG will help you lose belly fat.
It didn’t skyrocket my test levels. My total test never went above 490.
About 6 weeks into it is when I noticed a complete shutdown of my libido. Soon after came the moody feelings.
Overall, I’ll still use HCG as the primary kickstart to PCT, but I would NOT consider it part of my TRT or something I would take at low doses.
***This is just my experience and opinion.

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BlakeYoppa's picture

Dude I decided to test my sperm again the hmg is slowly working yes I feel like fucking shit! The hcg is world's worst om the prostate fuck it im gonna bite the bullet I tested the hcg with a pregnancy test it's the real deal I should probaly drop the test but I'm gonna see how my sperm looks in 1 month and decide from there glad I know the prostate issues is from hcg I get my gear from the best sources I don't notice any sides from the hmg... should I add in clomid as well I figured with exogenous test the clomid would be pointless... thats a shit load of hcg lol

winmag4582001's picture

I use to use HCG for pct at 5000iu M,W,F but for only 2 weeks.
You have to use a lot of HCG in about all situations for it to do anything.
You might check with your doctor or call your insurance. You’d be surprised what insurance covers nowadays.
I hear guys talking about “larger loads” while on HCG….. That ain’t sperm. It’s your prostate swelling. If you have a history of prostate cancer in the family a person could really fuck themselves up.
Good luck

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BlakeYoppa's picture

Facts I got test that test the sperm the white shit is seemen lol my sperm count is still low af running very low dose test for 3 months started hcg 2 weeks ago just did 1000iu I hate to say it fuck it its a chance I'm willing to take no doc ever listens I dropped the test and popped my 1st clomid 2day I feel my prostate swelling as I'm typing this shit. I haven't did a 19nor since Oct lol and still barley any sperm lmao

BlakeYoppa's picture

I'm not one for pct this sucks bro I never thought I'd want more kids didn't think it would be this frustrating I almost don't believe the late great Boston Loyd

BlakeYoppa's picture

I took an adderall 30mg thinking it would help... nope still feel shitty af after this never again will I come off unless I have to

Gh0st's picture

Thank God someone recommended labs… sheesh

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BlakeYoppa's picture

Thanks bro!!! I see you all over eroids man lol I've tried out quiet a few sources pretty much settled with the top 2 us domestic guys man tbh im just ready for a good ole blast! After I reach my fertility goal I can't wait to try dhb!! I'm thinking dhb,npp,test,&anadrol! Lol