posted Sat, 05/12/2018 - 14:51
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Why am I not huge yet
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So I've been lifting/bodybuilding for about 15 years and have recently (past year) started the gear. I'm using 250 mg of Test E 2-3x a week, 250 Deca 2-3x a week, Tren E 200 mg 2-3x a week, and a 50 mg tab of winstrol with my highest protein meal. I lift 5x a week doing tried and true movements with correct form etc but I still can't make the gains that I see bodybuilders/IG guys making. Is this truly genetics? Is my gear bunk? Just curious. I 've cycled about three times now and have pretty much plateaued at 6'5 240...
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AnonI have to agree with what many others have stated here as well. Unfortunately, much of it does end at genetics. An individual may have near the perfect diet for building quality mass, training (as well as rest!) can be scheduled out in harmony, and supporting supplements can be measured out appropriately to your individual body mass and training requirements. However, the body will inevitably reach some point of physiological limit. Yes, the use of AAS for muscle hyperetrophy and hyperplasia will defy natural human physiology, but even this will have a limit to a certain point. It may be time to take a break from cycles for a couple of months in order to "reset" your body's sensitivity towards them. Now, I'm not saying that your stuff isn't working; exogenous hormones and other AAS will still have an effect on your body, but keep in mind that your body will always fight itself to reach equilibrium. The more it fights to make itself "normal" again, the less effective your substances may become, and taking more may not necessarily be the best idea. All in all, I wish you the best and hope that you begin to see results again, but I think a reevaluation of your protocol may be helpful. Cheers.
-CM
Thank you for your insightful words CM. Just drives me crazy seeing IG posts of these guys who can't even lift do to idiocy and injury who look like they haven't lost a step....
RustyhookerCatfish! Gotta get catfish
All the drugs in the world won’t make up for a crap diet.
i agree. Chicken breast, sirloin steak, pork loin, eggs, and cauliflower rice can't be too bad tho....
I can go and write a list of a thousand healthy foods, but if you don't know how to eat them, it's pointless. You need a ratio of macros. white rice is awesome. Super versatile. Money is rough for me, so i keep it real simple most of the time.
Depends on the quantities you’re eating them in and what your goals are.
Steveb*hung
There goes the neighborhood. Lol.
Ace VenturaInstead of huge?
StevebYes, why am I not hung yet. That obviously what he meant
I've been wondering the same thing
Not injections into the shaft obviously.
Steveb?
Fastest way to a 15” Wang is to inject a min on 3ccs right into the sausage.
Only it it’s Tren mate. Ask Greg! Oh and where’s that fella who kept asking on forums about caverject?
Can you go down the hole if you don't touch the sides? ( asking for a friend )
16g or bigger needle only.
See that's the type of innovation and experience we need, makes perfect sense if it gets stuck just leave it in. You can piss through that all day long
Reading the above and below I am willing to bet you don’t eat anywhere near enough carbs. Frankly if you’re not over 500g per day (probably more like 600g) for your stats and with the gear you’re running you won’t grow. You say you avoid carbs. That tells me your diet is off. Post up your full diet and let’s take a look.
hear ya...i guess i just have some aversion to carbs that i should get over....
Genetics, it boils down to that. If you can honestly say you trained right and ate right and plateud to one size, thats your potential. If you say you tried all aas to break it and still plateud, that is your limit.
Look at pics of your entire family tree and look at tje men in your family. For me they are all averaged 5' 6 to 5' 10, but extremely stocky. My grandfather on mothers side was 200 at 5' 10 and very strong and not fat at all, father side was short and bald but also very stocky. The women were all lollipop kids short. My genetic composure has been hit and I stalled as well. Im happy though with how I look, could I lose a few fat pounds? Sure but I dont give a fuck. I dont try to impress anyone but myself because you will never be happy if you worried about anyone else. Be happy with how far you came and then you will be truly happy with yourself and others can smooch a pickle.
thanks for the kind and insightful response
basskiller89It's 100% diet brother. Are you eating enough calories to grow? Are you drinking enough water? Are your electrolytes balanced? Are you taking in correct micro nutrients? I'm not a fan of running test so low, I prefer test at 500mgs at least. However, I've never run deca. I blast with 750mgs of test + an AI
I think genetics will determine the shape and symmetry (had to google how to spell that one lol) of your muscles. Also, genetics will determine the speed at which you can grow and fill out. Consider hiring a professional coach and sticking with them for at least a year
interesting....thanks for the response brotha
In the post above you have listed all the gear you take and the amounts which shows me that you feel the steroids are the most important thing. There is no mention of calories or macro break down or training splits which shows me that these things are secondary. Make diet and training the priority. Get it dialed in and you will see results. You could push all the drugs you wanted at crazy amounts but if you are not eating correctly you will see no difference.
Stop relying on the drugs and start relying on a good solid diet. If your food was as scheduled as your steroid plan and pinning routines I'm sure you will see more gains with even half the amount of drugs.
i understand....could it really be a matter of just not eating enough rice ?! then we get into the question of what rice is best? one person says brown, the other says white and they can both support their claims....
Thanks all for taking the time to write a response and offer advice. I think we can all agree that there is no ! right answer in our quest for gains.
Things that I must consider going forward based on your feedback:
-diet
-diet
-diet
-I try not to eat a lot of carbs regardless of cutting or gaining mass
-Tren and Deca aren't good to use simultaneously? Bc they are both DHT derivatives?
-Maybe? I'm lifting too much? I never really prescribed to this notion as long as you're eating right and getting enough sleep to fully recover.
Most guys that are 6 5 are going to take a long time to fill in. It’s best no to depend on that much gear. Diet and realistic goals go along way.
I completely agree but u know how it goes....do everything to the "T" for 14 years, naturally and then u see some scrub go from wearing his "5%" shirt with skinnier arms than Taylor Swift to outlifting u in the course of 2 months u get a little irritated....
Some guys will respond like that most woulnt. Few guys your height become mass monsters. Shoot for a Anthony Joshua physique. Lou Ferrigno is literally a one in a million guy. There’s some great guys on this forum but I haven’t seen one that gifted. Long muscle belly’s and short tendons equal mass monsters. You can still look great...
thanks man, appreciate the responses....stay strong!
Your using over a 1.5g of gear and your not getting results , your training or diet is shit .
Every compound 2-3 a week , which is it , 2 or 3 times a week ?
$10,000 says that if you post your true diet 1 every thing you eat, how much and when every day for a week we will find the problem. Way too much gear in my opinion as well. No need to be stacking deca and tren. Especially at those doses
Thanks for the response. I'm not totally strict on my diet. I just always try to maintain a steady dose of quality protein coming in throughout the day. I kind of made my own stck/cycle based on a product that is a mix from the #1 rated site on here. I had great results with THAT but due to shipping problems I can't use the provider anymore.
Come on now, you gotta be trolling. Everything “2-3 times a week”? Like just depending on how you feel that day, you might shoot some stuff in your butt, or you might not? Weights and food, brother. It’s not rocket surgery .....lol “is my gear bunk?”
btw, not a troll....idk why i'm in the red.....i'm not very active in the forums but i've written so in depth "source" reviews......
Apologies, I wasn't clear...I should of just said i jab every 3rd day. The reason I asked if the gear is bunk is because I had some great gains about 2 years ago just using a pro-hormone (Purus Labs - Halovar which i believe is Turinabol). It has been taken off the shelves for years now. And yes, I'm aware of it being harder on your organs than oils....
I thought it was the butt stuff that made you huge lol
What’s your body fat?
240 isn’t bad. Although for your height I’d expect closer to 300 pounds for an avid lifter/guy running gear. I don’t know why you’re in the red but I’m not going to waste too much time helping if you’re a troll.
I’d say hit 6000 cals a day and 600 grams of protein for growth. The other cals come from whatever works best for you, high carb, high fat, or moderate of each if that’s what you like. And if you’re putting on size only training four days a week may help.
600 grams of protein on the long haul will lead to kidney problems. That’s over kill.
I find 350-400 max us my sweet spot anymore is a waste in my opinion. I see no difference and find it just ends up getting stores as fat
To each his own. I put on muscle and fat very easily and my physique suffers when I go much over 100 carbs a day. When I get those extra cals from protein I seem to be leaner while still remaining fairly full. For someone with a more gifted metabolism I think lower protein and more carbs to accommodate energy expenditure would be a better approach. This is just what has worked for me.
Also after those growth periods I can drop down to 300 while cutting, even 200 sometimes, and not lose muscle. So I believe in overshooting while bulking then dropping to maintenance or slightly below and letting the anabolics help you hold that size while trimming fat. Also gives your kidneys a break.
Maybe 500. I’ve used 500 for when I was putting on size and it has always worked well for me. If he is trying to get “huge” I’d say for his height he could go as high as six. Once he has that size and holds it for a while he won’t need as much to maintain.
I agree with you that 20-30-40 years of intake at that level could cause problems.
thanks for the response....I'm at 16% based on the bullshit electronic calipers u hold your arms out for and enter in your age, ht, wt, etc.
Honestly, I could easily get up another 20-30 lbs just by eating. You think I should just start eating as much as possible so long as it''s not pizza and mcchickens? U think based on my cycle my anabolism will basically just turn my nutrition into muscle if i'm lifting heavy and for a pump for`.5 hrs a day?
You can take all the comounds in the world but if you don't diet and train right nothing is gonna matter. It's not the compounds that determine how big you get. It's the food.
very true...admittedly i eat larger meals always protein based but i guess im eating to much in one sitting opposed to eating a fist full of protein every 3-4 hours or whatever....
Uchibah458So this is currently your 4th cycle....and you are running Test,Deca, Tren and Winstrol together. You wondering why you are not making the gains like bodybuilders and IG guys are making....well...maybe because you do not know what you are doing. Just a thought. I might be wrong though, but I might also be right.
I understand that the Winstrol should be removed when looking to gain lean mass. What's the problem with the first 3 however? You think i should drop the tren and only use it for strength during a cutting cycle? I was using it in hopes of maintaining "some" definition so my face wouldnt look like i just ate 4 bowls of ramen noodles...