posted Mon, 08/20/2012 - 09:30
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+ 1 Very first cycle.
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So this is what I was told to go with on my very first cycle:
Testosterone as a first cycle or even first 5 cycles. No reason to waste
all your receptors and growth ability by using too much too early.
You don't want to do any cycles without Test. AAS will shut down your test
production and without using external (exogenous) test, you'll have high
risk of sides and high risk of not recovery and making natural test ever
again.
500mg a week of Test Enanthate or Cypionate, split into 2 shots a week,
12-15 weeks. Clomid and Nolvadex for PCT
Thoughts? Additions?
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Is dbol a necessary component? What will it add to my cycle? Also, is b-12 necessary?
Dbol is definitely not necessary. First cycle should be test only, just in case sides pop up you know its the test causing it. The thing with Test E and Test C is they take a while to reach peak levels in your body. Some people this is 3 weeks, for others its 7. Dbols great for kickstart, it kicks in very quickly so running it for the first 4 weeks or so s a great addiction. If sides come up theres a good chance its the dbol since the test shouldn't be kicking in by then.
What type of sides are we talking for DBOL?
What are your stats? Like the OP of this thread said a year ago, the first 5 cycles you do should be just Test. No need to complicate things with multiple compounds when you can get huge gains from just the test. If you post your stats in your profile you will get some great info from the more experienced guys here, no stats = no love on these forums
Fair enough. Im on it.Appreciate it.
Do you have an AI? Get one.
Aromasin at .25mg e3d or e4d for that dose of test should keep estrogen at a good level and if not take your nolva at 10-20mg to stop gyno, you want some estrogen for bulking and less cutting, You will have to see how sensitive you are to all of it.
Sounds good and correct, my first cycle was the same and even second one which I did many years ago.
It is good to take breaks to clear receptors to have better effect.
I know a guy who was staying long time on gear and now it does not work so well for him.
test only first time around and 12 weeks is it. I personally recommend 8 weeks at first. Just to see how your body reacts to not only the cycle but pct.
AnonWrong thread, disregard!!!
AnonClarify PUMPS
Am 3 weeks behind here lol but if you aint started your cycle this myt help you make your mind up.i know a guy who has used test for 9 years test only cycles and ran only 500 mg per week and still gains like fuck i have only seen him do one cycle while i knew him but he still gains and just has to change his diet for bulking,cutting,lean gains ect i am only going off what he says but he aint realy a bull shitter and hes open and realy has no need to lie about it.also one of my best mates has done 5-6 cycles test only and gained like fuck to so yea i think test for first four cycles is great maybe add a oral second cycle if you must.one more thing the guy says hes running test only so he dnt sell his self short he was on about getting into over aas later on few years down the line i kind of get where hes coming from.i was going to stay the same test-e for next 3 cycles but got a injury and i have to add over compounds due to this i am quite gutted about this as i know it will effect me down the line when it comes to my gains so dnt sell yourself short.do test only few cycles then when you add EQ and over aas later down the line you will love it and the gains will be class.
the receptor thing is bro science its not real
cdaddy7U sure about that my man?? Explain y u gain so much on ur first cycle just using test at 400mg and 4 cycles later u have to up the dose to 600mg? What do u think that test binds to?
I think it is ryt to do pct plus time on = time off to clear your receptors and not risk your health but if you have done that and still have to up the dose would that not meen your receptors are not cleared ? Cz if they where would the same dose not now work the same as it did with first cycle on your 4th cycle cz it would be like starting fresh again ? You could also argue you have to use more of a dose the 4th cycle because you have more muscle on you now and the more muscle you have the harder it is to gain them pounds and its less about the receptors and more about the bigger you get the harder it is to put weight on.I am still learning and this aas world is some complex shit when you realy get into it i have read a shit load and am still asking is this ryt or is this ryt or is he wrong or is this guy ryt not trying to diss credit you or anything am just trying to learn everything and look at over points of view.
cdaddy7Uncle Zewi got u game plan. Make sure to keep ur diet on point. Consume 2-2.5g of good quality protein X ur body weight to maximize ur muscle growth factor. 5000 calories at a minimum a day. A lot of ppl drop the ball on this nutritional part of the cycle. U should yield 15+ pounds since this is ur first cycle and u got fresh virgin receptors. Happy trainig and cycle my man
Nice simple little first cycle! You might want to add some orals for the first 6 weeks, as the test won't really start to kick in until week 6. As it's your first cycle I'd say go with D-Bols or T-Bols, starting with 20mg a day then gradually increase it to 50mg a day.
Also not forgetting AI's
Good Luck!!
I got some advice to run hcg also.250iu 2 times a week.What say you?
cdaddy7No to everything else gear wise. Just test only!!! No hcg, no orals!! Follow uncle Zewi's game plan and my nutritional advice. U will do great if u follow it exactly!!!
Anonsounds good besides keep some kind of ai on hand in case estro fucks with u and you get gyno or something and just go for like 12 weeks first cycle the wait two weeks after last shot and start pct of clomid 100/50/50/50 and nolvadex 40/20/20/20 then 12 weeks more after that to recover then u could do another cycle male sure you eat like u did on cycle and lift to so u keep as much gains u can after and during pct. may feel like shit but push threw
Dial in your diet, Its all about how and what you feed yourself sir. DIET DIET DIET....Keep it clean and balanced. Work on eating right and your exercise routine at least 3-6 months before your first pin IMO.
yup.My diet is really on point. My routine is locked down.
Well goodluck big guy!
1st cycle I would run 8 weeks,IMO that is it. Test E and Cyp take a while to build up, so go with sustanon. With it's different esters you can start seeing good results at 3 weeks, while the E and Cyp are just really starting to kick in. You have done your research and applied it to this cycle, for that I commend you. But I from bad past experience now always want you new guys to take it slow. I might be over protective but to me it is worth it. Good luck
AnonI beg to differ sust has to be shot eod to really keep stable thats usually not liked as first cycle!
Sust doesn't need to be hit eod to take full advantage of the prop ester yes but twice a week is fine. I have been using sust for years and optimally every 3 days is perfect.A day different will not matter in a first time cycle for safety reasons as I spoke below to Z.
I totally appreciate it.I have been doing research like crazy.I want results.But I want to be careful.
zewiI do respect your advice. However IMO 8 weeks is just to short, i could understand 8 weeks if he was having problems. Best results come from doing it 12 weeks.
The reason I am a big believer in just test e or c on the first cycle and not Sust.. Is with test e or c your playing with on constant ester were sust your playing with a short and long. and at a lower does of the longer, and yes you get that great feel with having TEST P in it, but you also have a long a nd medium ester in it. But your looking at maybe 400mg of the medium and long ester and 50mg of test p (which only has a half life of 3 days)
IMO Play with one compound. And a constant one at that.
I see it like this if there is a negative reaction to test sust do the shorter ester would allow the negative reaction to be noticed faster and also will be less harmful. Other than that reasoning you are 100% correct
Ok cool. Anything else I should get?
zewitake your daily vitamin supplement that's important too.
What about natural supps in addition. I use garlic pills, hawthrone berries, cq10, resevertrol and multiviatmins.Will that affect my cycle?
no...
Got it.LOL!
I have been studying like crazy. But I still feel under informed.
zewiDon't for get your AI
So it should look something like this. Cause Uncle Zewi cares.
1-12 Test E or C @ 500mg a week split
4-12 your AI either Arimidex @ .25mg EOD if nipples get sore go to .5mg EOD or even .5mg ed or you can use Aromasin which would be 12.5mg EOD
PCT should start 15 days after last shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
If you decide to go with test E or C then zewi is on the mark.
Anon^^ Solid advise right there.