Hydrogen Peroxide IV
Im am posting this here because I just suggested this in a thread regarding lung capacity, however the benefits of this are very broad and may be of great help to everyone.
Not many people have heard of getting hydrogen peroxide dripped in to your bloodstream, so all Im doing is pointing it out and saying look in to it.
http://www.medical-library.net/hydrogen_peroxide_therapy.html
As some of you may know I have suffered from some nasty health problems and in an effort to feel better I have tried a LOT of different things. So far the biggest improvement in my health has come from AAS, but I dont know if I could have even moved in to that without having done the HP IV therapy I started last November.
Now the claims the supporters make are pretty wild, and I dont quite think it will do everything they say, but I can tell you for sure based on a ten year study of personal missery, that it sure did a lot for me. Just want to pass it on and hope at the very least a few of you may read in to it or try it.
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AnonGuys look I'll say this again. I was just trying to be helpful and share something that worked for me. There are a lot of guys here who need to cleanse, or may have picked up viruses and or simply need a boost to the immune system.
Ive pointed out a route and its up to each person to decide if its right for them .As far as being conned, well people will figure out quickly if it works for them and what are they really going to loose, versus what they may gain. Im not selling anything I have nothing to gain, just trying to share.
Supernova283Hey Viking pointed out that I sounded kinda angry and I wanted to clarify. I am in no way trying to attack you or calling you stupid. I understand that you were just sharing something for the masses which is good.
I was merely trying to present my side in which I don't think too highly of this procedure. I might be totally wrong, but I'm just presenting what I believe and why.
I meant no attack upon you and I'm sorry if I came across that way.
AnonNo worries, arguments happen and everyones not going to agree on everything.
Thanks
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkLets just keep the calm in here guys... thats all for now thanks.
Supernova283Uh well it had better be pretty damn dilute. 3% is toxic enough to damage and burn living tissue and can be used as a bleaching agent.
The amount of oxygen produced would be too small to matter as the amount you breath and transport with hemoglobin is thousands times more than you'd receive from a 3% solution unless running large quantities.
Never seen it done, but I wouldn't volunteer to do it. Sounds pretty dumb to me.
Supernova283Sorry that breath should be breathe.
AnonWell ok Im not sticking any needle in your arm, but being closed minded about things may prevent you from experiencing something good. You have your reasons and thats fine, but as I said before if you ever fall ill, I certainly hope you would do and try whatever it takes to recover.
Also Im just trying to be helpful here and mention something people may not have heard of. Its up to each person what they want to try and what the harm is in trying. Even just for the simple fact of cleansing and flushing this can help.
Good stuff. Looks like everyone could benefit from this. It's pretty damn typical that it wouldn't be approved in the us.
Thats crazy
AnonWell when Dr after Dr fails to produce results or answers, sometimes you have to try crazy sounding stuff. Some people say all homeopathic remedies are crazy. There are times when "thinking outside the box" yields greater results than status quo.
The idea just sounds crazy but sometimes you have to take it into your own hands
Anonhaha yeah exactly my point. Interestingly enough some of my greatest results in many endeavors have been when they "sounded crazy".
Supernova283You're kidding right? Homeopathy is total bullcrap. The thought that you can dilute something a million million times and still get a result from something is crazy. It is literally like throwing a couple Ibuprofen pills into a pool and then saying drinking from the pool will cure your headache.
colloidal silver is silver diluted a million, million times and yet it is a powerful antibacterial agent only forgotten due to the smear campaign by the antibiotic industry. and dont gimme this shit about how it dont work. all the old timers used silver as a preservative from milk to.mayonaise. its still used to in burn dressings.
i dont think you should comment just to comment anymore,unless u have experience on the subject. Actual EXPERIENCE
Supernova283Collodial silver is measured in parts per million and turns your skin blue. It is held in suspension with silver actually being in there.
In homeopathy a lot of the time there is no original ingredient in the medication and is much much more dilute.
And I do have experience with homeopathy. I've tested optical purity in a lab.
forget the lab u need experience in life. no colloidal silver doesnt turn your skin blue unless you make it wrong and drink tons and tons of it. show me more than one case . and it was the best thing that happened to that old bastard , made him famous and who knows he probably did it on purpose. no i know he did . in an interview he said the blue came from rubbing larger particle coloiidal silver on his skin.
point is many things measured in ppm are effective . talk about throwin stuff in pools . hm i throw chlorine in mine , guess what ? measured in ppm and is EFFECTIVE.
Seriously everyone of your posts is correcting someone with a negative tone.
or i should say trying to correct.
Supernova283Oh and also there are multiple cases of colloidal silver turning people's skin blue. That old guy is just the best known. Rosemary Jacobs is also blue and there are others as well.
extreme cases used to argue and nuthin more . silver has antibacterial properties end of story.
Supernova283So do antibiotics.
you got a serious complex dude
Supernova283Why because I believe that when you dilute something so much that you can't even put an amount on the bottle that it is a waste of money and time?
Or just because I would prefer antibiotics to colloidal silver? I never smeared your silver I merely said it turned your skin blue (which it has done to people).
no for fak sake kid, because you are arguing for the sake of arguing. lemme refresh ya here then reread whatcha said. you said homeopathy dont work blah blah ppm dilution blah blah. i said some things dilute do work cant discount them all and gave c silver as an example . when you say .so do antibiotics . no shit . never said they didnt have antibacterial properties oer that i prefer them or silver. so whats the point.of saying . so do antibiotics ? other than to argue? give yiur parents abreak amd knock it off. its acomplex
Supernova283I'm arguing for the sake of whoever reads this and might think to try homeopathy. I'm trying to educate people because giving money to these fuckheads who make this shit and get rich off it are basically just con artists selling placebo.
When people sell C silver they sell it at an amount (For example 10ppm). When they sell homeopathic remedies they don't give you any amount. How can you sell someone an unknown amount of substance and still be considered legit?
You can call it whatever you want. I call it arguments for educating the uninformed.
Calm down little bro... PLEASE.
Supernova283Oh I'm sorry am I coming across as angry? I really don't mean to I'm just putting out my point of view.
The swearing at the people who sell homeopathy was I guess a bit angry, but it wasn't directed at anyone in the thread.
My bad I'll try and alter my tone to sound less angry.
Supernova283Homeopathy isn't measured in parts per million. It's measured in nothing. They don't even measure it. It's diluted to the point of nothingness. If anything they're running off placebo.
Not only that, but some these ingredients they use actually work. And guess what they have an effective dose. Homeopathy is nowhere near the effective dose. It's like taking 2ng of acetaminophen and hoping it'll cure your headache.
And I'm sorry if you think everything I say has a negative tone. It's not like I post everywhere, just the places I disagree with. In which case I state my opinion to hopefully be taken up by other people since a lot of people are misinformed.
gay . the subject is hydrogen peroxide therapy. the point of the thread is not to argue homeopathy, but to discuss your Experience with hp therapy. nuthin like tellin a guy he's stupid for wanting to try to save his own life when conventio.al meds have failed .
to go aroind looking to corregct people whether right or wrong says you were corrected alot growin up and have something to prove.
you said it . you only post when you disagree.
Supernova283I'm sorry is it better to just post agreement on everything you agree with and leave those you disagree with blank.
If someone posted about their positive experience of doing a tren only cycle would people not come in and post about how they don't think doing a tren only cycle is the smartest move in the world?
I'm posting how I believe it is not the smartest move in the world to put a toxic solution known to damage living tissue into your body. How exactly have I diverged from the topic?
AnonWell thats a fairly broad statement you are making, and I dont see the logic in your analogy. Its called a doseage and its why any substance is taken in specified amounts. In the instance I am talking about here you are adding oxygen to the blood stream over and above what your lungs deliver. Do you not think added oxygen has any value to cellular function ?
I do think a lot of homeopathy is as you say bullcrap, but certainly not all, and if you are sick and not getting results from conventional treatment then I think you'd understand having a multi pronged aproach.
Do you take any supliments ?
Supernova283Over and above?
Okay lets just say you add 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide to your body. Say you add an entire liter of the substance.
2H2O2 -----> 2H2O+O2 So even if we had a total conversion of all the H2O2 then we'd still only have half the oxygen than we we put in, but this is only a 3% solution of H2O2 so for every liter you put in you only get 30mL H2O2.
So for my sake I'm going to switch to molarity and then switch it back into grams for ya so you can understand how little O2 you're actually receiving with an entire liter of this stuff injected into you.
? moles/L H2O2= 1mole H2O2/ 34g H2O2 X 3g H2O2/ 100mL H2O = .88M
? g O2= 32g O2/1 mole O2 X 1 mole O2/ 2 moles H2O2 X .88moles H2O2/L X 1L = around 14 grams of oxygen.
You get 14 grams of oxygen for every liter of 3% H2O2 solution injected in your body and that's assuming that all the H2O2 is converted into oxygen.
Typical adults have a lung capacity range of 1.0L to around 3.4L (depending on things like height, if you smoke, elevation and stuff like that) for arguments sake I'll just assume 1L of usable air capacity and absorption.
Normal temperature pressure is 20 deg C or 293 Kelvin and the air is roughly 21% oxygen meaning it has a partial pressure of .21atm.
PV=NRT ?mols O2 = K x mols/(.0821 x L x Atm) X 1L/1 X .21atm/1 X 1/293K = .0087mols
? grams O2 = 32 grams/ mole X .0087 = .28grams
Now you say .28 grams isn't anywhere near 14 grams, but that's .28 grams per breath.
If you take 1 breathe per 3 seconds then you'd get 20 breaths per minute or 5.5 grams per minute.
So in less than 3 minutes you'd get more oxygen into your system than a liter of that stuff.
Now you could factor in that you don't absorb 100% of the oxygen, but even if you halve the value you would still get around 5 minutes or if you want even 10 minutes of regular breathing would equate to a liter of H2O2 put into your body.
AnonWell again its somewhat flawed logic, because you are comparing the addition of oxygen to the total capacity of the lung. Have you ever heard of SCUBA divers breathing nitrox ? Nitrox is enriched air and just changing the oxygen percentage a few points makes a big difference in the profile of the dive. The point is you are not substituting your suply of oxygen but enriching it.
Another example to dispute your theory that small amounts dont matter is, when the human body drops just 3.8 degrees to 95 very negative reactions begin and hypothermia sets it. So there are plenty of examples where the percentage of change can impact the body significantly. 3% oxygen increase may do more than you give credit.
If hydrogen peroxide is such a diluted substance then why is it an efective antiseptic for cuts ?
Look again Im just speaking from experience, and Im telling you I have tried a variety of perscription and non perscription treatments and right now I am still in the longest period of the past ten years without an attack. Coincidence, maybe but there are other indicators telling me not.
As I said in another reply, Im just trying to be helpful and throw out info and share my own personal experience so people can make their own minds up. Im sure You had yours made up before you even read the link and no one is forcing you ,so I think we are done.
Supernova283Scuba Nitrox (different from chemistry nitrox) has less nitrogen in the air which raises the partial pressure and molarity of oxygen. Also the reason is not to get more oxygen in it's because at regular levels the nitrogen will cause decompression sickness at smaller intervals of pressure. It has nothing to do with the oxygen.
It's not an effective antiseptic for cuts. It destroys tissue. Ask any doctor what he thinks about putting hydrogen peroxide on cuts.
And yes I believe we are done as well.
AnonYou are missing the point and obviously smart enough to get it so Im left feeling you are simply being obstinant wanting to see no point but your own.
The point is not why the decompression sickness occurs but rather the significant change simply by adding a small percentage of oxygen. The nitrogen is reduced by enriching the air with added oxygen.
Small percentage of change , does not always equate to being inefective which is the whole basis for your argument against this or any homepathy.
Supernova283Yes, but your example is the effects of dilution not the addition of something. The oxygen content plays no part it's just a filler to dilute the nitrogen.
In homeopathy and this you're looking for the benefits of adding small amounts of oxygen vs in the scuba example you're looking at decreasing the nitrogen percentage by over 15% over an extended period of time.
The analogy doesn't really play out in my eyes.
when i busted my finger my hand was laid in h202. 5% solution. couldn't feel anything anyways. my whole hand was numb...
Supernova283Look I'm not going to argue with you or what your doctor did. I know that hydrogen peroxide causes living tissue damage.
it was the physician's assistant. that dumbass! lol
Supernova2835% too. I wouldn't have been happy personally. Especially since it sounds like there was quite a bit of exposed tissue.