posted Tue, 12/19/2017 - 16:57
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hey guys iv been on sustanon 500mg 2 times a week first cycle
im on my 7th week i plateaued
can i increase my dose another 250mg like m/w/f
or should i pin eod until the end of my cycle at 12 weeks ?
pretty sure its under-dosed just getting water bloat and my strength increased but not my kilos
i take 0.5 arimidex ed should i increase it to 1mg ed if i up my dose? i
m really frustrated guys any help? thanks
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Granted this info is for 40 and over trt but it still answers your question. This is how you make a constructive forum where everyone learns instead of bickering and you trolling. Im sure youre back under a new username so check it out. Sustanon was developed to be injected once a month almost if you look at half lives. I went head to head with another higher karma cat awhile back and twisted made this to clear up the sust nonsense that floats around. It isnt propionate!!!! It comes down to personal preference i suppose, but its up to you to see how it affects your blood levels.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/over-40-trt/sustanon-your-doing-it-......
Best way to use sust is everyday if you can handle the frequent injections but EOD will work just not as optimal as ED. Some pro's I know use sust ED more then once a day
How did I know this thread was gonna go south real quick lol
Hello Sir,
-27 in one day, how did you do that? lol
Regards
basskiller89lol
RustyhookerTwo forums of chaos. Youre being trolled
reply..bigalex 13 hours ago @Rustyhooker
im finishing in 5 weeks and then getting it done right and i have pct nolva and clomid ready
Last goofy forum...same bs
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/underdosed-su...
bigalexwoooah u guys are all psycho i just asked one thing and ur fighting with urselfs cool down
bigalexUPDATE
iv got 5 weeks left might as well up to dose to m/w/f and then do a good pct...experiment on the test..i dont think its dangerous ...and i take 0.5mg on my pin days
what do u guys think?
I think you have no clue what you are doing.
bigalexthanks guys for everything now i know ... research always first
Ive ran it at .5ml(sust250) everyday and thats how i like to run it...ive even went up to .7mleveryday for a big test blast and ive also ran it 1ml every other day..... im not telling anyone to take those doses im just speaking what i have done....but as far as how frequent to use sust, i feel everyday or every other day is best to take advantage of fast esters amd keep them stable as well.
basskiller89Hello brother,
A lot of guys think their gear is bunk and confuse initial strength gains with lean mass development. Remember even with the aid of gear muscle development is a slow process
ED pinning by far makes the most sense
EOD pinning makes the second most sense
Good luck
Considering you already said you think the gear is bunk i would stop it, pct. find a reliable source, get real gear AND real pct drugs.
Once you have that make sure you know what your maintenance calories are and then eat 300-500 calories over whatever the number is.
Sust can be injected once a week or twice if you like, deffo no need to inject 3 times a week. Start low with the adex and assess or ideally get bloodwork to really know.
Then run a proper pct.
RustyhookerSust can be injected once a week or twice if you like, deffo no need to inject 3 times a week.
Youre full of crap and clearly do not know your gear. Suggest you use something other than broscience.
basskiller89I wonder the results of a once a week suspension cycle lol
RustyhookerCheck cryhavok out. He charted sustanon by half life. Going by his charts, half life of ester and peak ill go no less than eod pinning. Ive tried biweekly, eod and ed. I had less fluctuations on ed pins. Fluctuations for me is zits which i usually dont get unless im making errors.
basskiller89I’m kind of the same
I’d get a tiny zit maybe once a week on previous cycles
Keeping DHT & E in check really shut down any zits for me
If anyone has knowledge of why Sustanon was developed by Organon in the first place and how it was intended to be administered, he could argue:
Well, technically…
RustyhookerI can easily retort with medical citings on sust being a failure for trt. I can also show him our trt forums and ask him how many trt fellers does he see using sust. Lol
Its an argument that he cannot win. Medical proof is king.
Also, cryhavok has posted tons of graphs on sust and dosing at varied intervals.
Precisely. Failure of a medication. I don’t know why it’s still being made. I don’t see any advantage with sust over using just one ester or mixing and matching as you please. Why some random, kooky 4-ester blend that may or may not be what it’s supposed to be from any given UGL? I don’t get it.
RustyhookerIve enjoyed it on cycle many times but i run it a bit different in the frontload. I think irongame posted a forum with citations showing how different esters reacted in the body. Its an interesting read.
I too am suprised that foreign pharma still makes it.
backup2018If the gear is really bunk, will he even need a pct do you think?
RustyhookerRead his last forum.... dudes a troll. Lol
Hello Sir,
Very little information about you. I have noticed that just recently registered your account so we do not know much apart from your age and height.
There could be many reasons why you are not gaining muscle mass.
And when you say you are getting bloated from the substance you administer, it makes me think that you are not very experienced.
And AI's comment makes me think that it is lack of experience and knowledge again.
If you share more information with us about yourself, we could guide you the right way Sir. Meanwhile based on the info you have given us my suggestion is to stop PEDs and educate yourself.
Help this helps Sir.
Regards
"i take 0.5 arimidex ed should i increase it to 1mg ed"
Eat more. Font be afraid of carbs. I was and I think it hampered me somewhat. Dont add more shit just eat more. Is your a dex ugl also? Be careful, could be dosed incorrectly. Get bloods done, idk where you are but don't sound like the states. Guys here will tell you where to go based on your location (approx) stay anonymous. Thats the only way to know for sure. Also think about life in general. Are you stressed? Overtraining? Dog die? Anything can fuck with you. Worse thing is to add more gear.
Is this your 1st time with sustanon? Maybe you answered that elsewhere but it has 4 esters in it and if you chart them all until the longest kicks in your levels arr not gonna be as hi as if you were taking 500mg of a shorter. 500 mg of sust a week only has 60 of prop and 120 of pheynl.
Good luck.
backup2018I always pin sust 3x per week. Due to the mix of short esters included. 750mg sust a week . I've noticed some ugls producing forms of sust that have more short esters than the normal original sus ingredients
Should have been pinning mwf from the off with sust anyway
bigalexits bunk ug shit not from a good source ..thats why im gnna do 12 weeks then pct and start may my real cycle and get bloods and purchase from a reputable source
btw what would u guys recommend for a second cycle for summer time?so i can start saving up to do 14 or 16 week cycle..but a basic maybe masteron test anavar winstrol like what cycle? not tren and other harsher compounds
That is kind of dumb don't you think. It is bunk gear but I am going to continue to keep pinning myself with it. Doesn't seem to logical to me. You need to think this stuff out better.
RustyhookerThis was already answered on your last forum. You should drop this cycle and pct IF you even have pct WHICH WAS ASKED ON OTHER FORUM
Seems to be wasting everyone's time here.
So what is it? Here you are asking if you should increase your dose from 500mg and run EOD instead of 2x/wk, while in your last post you say you have already been running it EOD at at 875 mg/wk. Don't you think it would have been smarter to ask the question first instead of doing it and then asking a question.
RustyhookerHes a troll and after 2 huge forums, hes clearly winning. Lol. Notice he answers nothing yet, twists a reply to start more discussion?
Classic def of a troll that's for sure.
I always wondered why its so hard to get bloods drawn? It would answer every fkn question of "is my gear bunk or am I trying to shift blame?" Would I rather know its not good?
Lets wrap this up fast....
Help I think my gear is bunk, what should I do?
Did you get bloods?
No
Then how the fuck do you know?
Umm because my super duper powers of knowing every detail of what goes on in my body even though I cant see it.
OHHH, so going to get bloods?
Nope I just want to guess and get a hundred different answers and waste all the time in the world I could benusing to have a great cycle.
Well, good luck to you then.... DONE.
RustyhookerHes trolling. 2 forums of bs and causing a stir. Im negging him.
I always love the guys who claim to be aas experts and come on here claiming their gear is bunk and making a huge stink about it, but of course they have no bloods or the like. They are “experts” and we should trust them since they are doing all of us a favor here on eroids, with their super powers. Then a week or two later they come back and say things are better now and they can “feel” it working now. Super solid!
Because they take the advice and act like they fixed it themselves and because its the internet we would never know the truth but we do. I guess if we didnt have these "experts" we would have noone to help right?
bigalexim finishing in 5 weeks and then getting it done right and i have pct nolva and clomid ready
One thing you may have underestimated is needing to increase cals. The same guy at the same weight will need more calories on gear than off, it’s just how it works.
Do not go increasing the drugs. Get a cheap blood panel to check levels then increase the calories. Don’t try to recomp your first cycle. Bulk. Especially at your body weight bro. You need the size. If you spread the cals out properly you shouldn’t even put on much fat at all. Make them meals clean and big and you will grow.
Heres the absolute EASIEST ANSWER....GO GET BLOODS. Dont blame the drugs if you cant prove it.
Spend the measly 50.00 and research when to get the test done then schedule it. Look up where to get them from here.
Yeah, it doesn't sound like the gear problem to me. Don't name a source/brand/lab, but is it pharmacy grade or UGL? If it is UGL did you check what esters they use? Some UGLs will market a brand that is 80% cyp and enth with a touch of prop as a true sust. If that is the case you may actually just be getting started. If this is your first cycle you definitely don't need to increase the dose. It would be a huge help if you provided more information about your diet and training habits.
backup2018Ive noticed with "some" ugls they are adding a good whack of the dosage per ml with test prop and phenyl now. Not sure if im wrong but this wasnt always teh case with regual sust back in the day?
Yeah, the original pharma sust was a pretty even blend of esters. You really have to check the ester mix with the UGL sust these days. If it isn't stated I strongly suggest asking the source.
bigalexits ug labs
i train 6 times a week
5 meals a day around 3500-4000 calories i dont count calories but i always eat alot of protein each meal greens and a lil bit of carbs like a cup of rice etc i wanna recomp thats why
12-14 body fat
and been working out over 10 years
didnt expect my first cycle to be these weak next time its test e or c
maybe i should add cardio more frequently?
what do u think?
If you feel as though you are not gaining enough in the size and strength categories it is most likely related to your caloric intake being too low. It's not hard to underestimate just how much you need to eat your maximize your gaining potential when you are on cycle. Think about it like this: superhuman hormone levels = superhuman gaining POTENTIAL = superhuman caloric needs to reach that potential. Given, that is a bit of a generalization, the point is that the gear only increases your gaining potential, and in order to build muscle mass you have to give your body the building blocks necessary for construction.
With all of that being said, in your instance and with your goals, increasing your cardio and therefore your caloric burn will likely do more to hurt you than to hurt you.
Don't get so caught up on hitting your macro goals that you forget about meal timing as well. They need to be as evenly spaced as possible, with the understood heavy consumption of rapidly digesting protein and carbs post workout. If your 300+ grams of protein are being consumed in 3 meals of 100 grams each, your body will not be able to digest and utilize all of it as it. Think of throwing a big log on a small fire instead of splitting the big log into multiple smaller pieces of wood and adding them gradually as each piece burns out.
Final tidbit, don't forget to gradually increase your calories as your weight increases on cycle. If you only increase them enough to gain 10 lbs, your risk of hitting a plateau at 10 lbs gained is real, as that initial caloric increase is now your new maintenance level
I would up the carbs for sure if it’s on the low side. You can recoup on a high carb diet no problem. As far as your gear, I don’t know. Only bloods can tell. I don’t care about the scale. If you’re adding weight on the bar week after week and you’re past your novice or intermediate stage—you should be if you’ve been training 10 years—then you have definitely not plateaued. Track your performance, not your body weight, to get the answer you’re looking for. Muscle protein synthesis isn’t that fast that it’s gonna put crazy lean mass on you in 6 weeks, even on gear. Most of that is water.
If you hit a plateau on week seven you're clearly doing something wrong! But I can tell based upon your weight that you're not eating right anyways.
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Just a heads up, off 300mg I can make gains for 20 weeks straight. I don't understand why you would think you even hit a plateau, specially with Sust. Shit your longest eater just kicked in!
bigalexi have a feeling its bunk or underdosed
my diet is clean and training is perfect..
and as my first cycle it didnt even add 10 pounds on my 7th week?
Just because your diet is clean doesn't mean that you are eating ENOUGH clean calories, or that your macros are where they should be. How many total calories are you consuming each day and what is your macro breakdown?