-1 Sacroplex Test E extreme painful PIP
Well first a little background info, 6 feet 215 lbs around 15% bf, been training for 5 years.
Decided it was time to jump on the gear, so began researching for over a year now. Decided on my cycle, ordered sacroplex test e 250ml, dbol and pct gear. Decided on 500mg test e a week and 40mg dbol Ed. So after my first pin, my delt swelled up and stiffened up almost in a matter of 4 hours. The next day the swelling was still there and I had very limited movement and allot of pain. It took over a week to get back to normal. Time for my second injection and pinned my quad this morning, wanted to change locations to see if the or original injection just didn't react we'll to the delt. Well, it is now 12 hours from pinning my quad and I am laying on the bed with a heat pad around my quad , loaded up with Vicodin , ibuprofen , benidril and my quad is double it's original size with limited movement and a whole lot of pain. The source I bought the gear from is very reputable and I felt comfortable with my purchase. I have since emailed the source asking and inquiring about the shitty gear quality . No response yet, I will wait a few more days and see if they email me back. I am now questioning if I should stop now and bein pct in 2 weeks or try a glute shot next week using a different vail. Also stop taking dbol one week into cycle cause it fucked with my blood pressure big time. Anyone also have bad experiences with sacroplex brand test e? Also, I am open to suggestions to either quit or try a new vail.
Update# 3 a couple of things I want to get straight. Seems as though NDG has a few ass clowns trying to friend request me and get info on batch numbers and so forth. Let me state that NDG has had the opportunity to make things right but took a different route. Blaming everything except them selfs, accusing people of not spending enough money therefore they must be scamming for gear, insulting people by saying they don't know how to type in serial numbers on vials and telling people to email Sarcoplex, when they know dam well it will go unanswered most of the time. I am not here to start any keyboard wars, nor do I have the time too. I stated my problem and received some good advise from logical people who know their shit. I will come out of this situation learning allot. The most important thing is never to order from NDG and I am going to go with pharma grade gear.
Came to a point where I have to either stop and begin PCT or continue and run the gear for 6 more weeks. I want to make things straight, I AM NOT question weather the gear is real, I am questioning the BA And BC content and its reactions and mixture. For those who had success with Sarcoplex then I applaud you and wish you continued progress.
Update # 2 since my last post pinned again and dam swelling and pain started again. 1ml glute shot, dam this is frustrating. I think I'm just going to call this quits..
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"I ain't posting shit, not for you" LOL
I think everyone had figured out the truth to this situation. "Ouch, your gear gives me horribly bad injection pain... so I want 3 more bottles or else"!!!
It's actually comical as I read this after a few days. Whats even more funny is he thinks NDG took enanplex off their site for any reason other than the ARE actually sold out!! LMFAO!!!
POST YOUR BATCH NUMBER GUY!!!
All you posted before was the bottle serial number. There is no way to tell what batch you had w/ that number.
You claim that your bottle verified... You've claimed it was bad numerous times.... so why wouldn't you post the number so others can avoid it?!?
I know one thing, that is if I was sure I had a contaminated batch, I'd be sure to post the number 1st and foremost to try and help others from not getting infections.
Seems more like you just got outted while trying to extort one of the best sources (of the best gear out there)...
AnonI ain't posting shit, not for you. You have insulted me enough.. Go buy some more Enanplex, oh wait NDG doesn't have it on their site anymore. Hmmmmm.... I'm sure this is when your gonna tell me his sold out.
Dude, don't waste your time with this jerk off. From Week 1, It was pretty obvious what he was up to...
AnonDr. Bro science, kindly go fuck yourself and stay off this thread. You don't have to be here and post if you don't want to..
What bro science fucktard? You shot up gear and got sand in your pussy. Maybe Sarco's Test E has bad pip or was a bad batch, but you fail at life. You've been nothing but rediculed and even dismissed by people who were actually arguing your side. Get some pharma... and be done with it. Cause after you suffer pip from pharma you have nobody to blame but yourself.
You could neg me all you want bro. Fact is I shot 1cc in glute yesterday from different vial and guess what, smooth as butter. No PIP, followed the same protocol. Ya I'm a NewB but I also have common sense and reasoning skills.. As for the first vial that gave me extreme PIP, it's in the trash, wouldn't want anyone else to use that shit.. Have a nice day..
that was three wks ago... now he says... I switched between all 3 vials and the same brutal pip was the outcome. Seems like the BA or BC is off and my body just doesn't like it. I was going to call it quits last week but decided to rough it out and see if my body will adjust.
HMMM.. sounds like somebody is a liar.
AnonRead update# 2 .... You should really do your research before calling someone a liar.. Cheers..
then all I can say is your injection protocol is not right. If the pip went away when you switched vials. then it would not all of a sudden come back unless your pinning wrong.
all this stuff was established weeks ago... see since he didn't get his free vials from sarco now hes claiming all the vials were bad... completely contradicting what he said earlier. You guys are all wasting your time with this guy. Give him Watson Pharma Cyp and he'll complain about the PIP to get a free vial from CVS.
your right, I'm done wasting my time on this I've got better things to do like getting my swole on.by the way pass some of that watson over here.lol
STILL WAITING FOR THE BAD BATCH NUMBERS.....
AnonChill out man, my life doesn't revolve around this forum, I got other obligations. Since you said you had great results with Sarcoplex , then why do you need batch members from me? Batch number 1102061440 , that's the one out of the three vials that cripples me for at least 7 days. The other two are bad, but I honestly don't give a shit anymore cause I'm starting PCT.
that is not a batch number guy... why don't you give me the number that you got when you verified it on the site? You did say that you verified right??
You're doing a pretty good job of making yourself look like a liar.
I wouldn't worry about it, go ahead and use what you've got. I tried to defend the op earlier in this thread, but I'm starting to think he's a scammer. If you read the whole thread you'd see he didn't know what he was doing yet still continues to complain about the gear and source.
oh believe me, I'm not worried one bit about the batches I have. I get some pip but I've had pip once or twice over the last 13yrs lol. Not a big deal.
AnonJim, i sorry you feel that way.
Batch number please...
AnonWork nights, will post tomorrow .
and waiting....
Please post the number. You've said you verified them. I am very curious, because I have quite a few of the newer batch numbers and would love to know if one is bad. Post it up... help some others out.
I am 4 weeks into my first cycle using test E at 600 a week. Got my test E 300 from hulkbody. My first shot was 1 cc to the quad, and the PIP was crippling. Swelling, redness, heat, ect... 2nd shot was 1 cc to ventro glute. That one sucked really bad as well. I ended up switching to shoooting 1/2 cc EOD. I am using delts and quads. The strange thing is at this point the delt shots have mild PIP for a day or two while the quad shots are still giving me nightmarish PIP, even at 1/2 cc. I think I am going to abandon quads, and give glutes a try.
wow this sucks and got me questioning sarco, well i hate to look into a new source/brand for a first cycle??
AnonThere are some people who swear by Sarcoplex and say its "smooth like butter" and so forth. I am not part of that club and will never use Sarcoplex again in the future. To each their own, maybe you it will work out for you. Good luck!
peepsJust another UGL some sources are pushing as better than pharma grade lmfao.
Did your bottles of Enanplex verify on Sarcoplex's website? and was there mfg and exp. date on the bottles?
sarco never have mfg/exp dates on bottles... they are on the site when you verify.
AnonYa they did, bottles look legit. I am not questioning weather it's the real deal, only the concentration of the gear. I switched between all 3 vials and the same brutal pip was the outcome. Seems like the BA or BC is off and my body just doesn't like it. I was going to call it quits last week but decided to rough it out and see if my body will adjust. I noticed you are running the same gear, how long have you been running it and what's your experience with the PIP, strenght gains , size so far?
I had some f'in horrible PIP the first 2 weeks (250x2/week) but it went away..I attribute it to 11 years since last cycle., and basically virgin muscle. Glute shots 1.5 inch 23 g. Trust me the early 90's and some of the vet grade Mexican I know all about PIP. I honestly don't think NGD knowingly sells bad gear, but with any manufacturer other than Pharma. there can be some variances in quality.NGD in my book is a great, reliable source. It would be nice if they expanded their product line. I had never heard anything bad about Sarcoplex, in fact they got decent reviews. The only way of really knowing is lab/bloodwork unfortunately.. Today marks 6 weeks. I must say that around week 3 or 4 I began to notice a little strength & weight increase. However frontloaded with T-Bol so the gains I noticed could have been attributed to that, and also due to the fact that I increased caloric intake by appx 1200 kcals. (totaling avg 4200/day. I was at close to what I call my genetic max weight prior to this which is roughly 212. I am at 218 to 220 currently some of which is obviously water weight. I've always wondered why people say if you don't increase your calories you won't gain. Anabolic steroids function by increasing cellular nitrogen retention and water retention so more of the protein you eat is actually converted to biomass. Obviously eating more means bigger gains however. To date I have gained 6 to 8 lbs., strength is up slightly. Back in the day there was no question about gear, you knew, and I must say I am cautiously optimistic.. but a little concerned. I do have access to some Watson Cyp as a failsafe if nothing changes in the next week or 2.This should be prime time. Anyway, the gear was clean at least, I don't think the BA was off, but it's possible. I really can't believe NGD offered to send you 3 bottles.. that does say a lot to me.. I think it may have been premature to scrap the gear, I stuck with it and PIP subsided and isn't noticeable at all now. NGD has always treated me well.. answered any question I've had, and I believe they do what they can to put the best products they can out there. BTW the serial numbers did finally check out.. both NGD and Sarcoplex repled
What is your batch number?
Why is someone negging this guys post? He didn't break any rules.
AnonSeems like Kilroy represents Sarcoplex or has some interest in NDG..
did the serial numbers verify?
I do not represent Sarco nor have any interest in NDG. Other then being a user of Sarco's product and a customer of NDG. I have been following your posts though, and they just don't add up. I'm not a fanboy either, but I have seen scammers like you trying to get free gear... and its wack. I've never experienced PIP with their gear like you describe. Can you please explain why you requested 3 bottles of Test Cyp from the Sarco line? This after you spent weeks complaining about PIP and claiming their gear was shitty? You were the one for his first ever injection jabbed 2ml into a virgin delt muscle, not me. That ain't broscience.... try that with Watson Test Cyp from CVS and you'll get the same inflammatory response. Just saying... things just don't add up. If you got bad gear fine... but others who have ran Sarco gear and know whats up will view your experience with a very suspicious eye... especially after you requested 3 free bottles of test cyp (according to the source) after your tirades.
AnonRequested Cyp because some people have no issues with that coming off enth. Bought 3 bottles of Enth, so 3 bottles should be replaced. Source is full of sh@t and only trying to back peddle cause that batch was crap.. Either way , what comes around goes around..
Oh he wanted it replaced because of the PIP?
Bingo! +1 for good research. Folks think noone chats on here.
There's many folks selling the great sarco.....not just ndg. Sarco is great pip free gear.
i had no pip from sacroplex test e.
no shit you didn't.... have you ever injected into delts before? no? good.
Now bang 2ml of Sarco's Test E into that smaller virgin muscle. Also remember this will be your first injection ever. so keep that hand unsteady and be unsure of proper location to inject.
come back tomorrow, i`ll bet your ass you'll be complaining about pip... it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. but the saga continues. /sarcasm intended for OP
AnonHey killroy don't be an ahole. I put up with enough of your bro science and sarcasm. In the end your not putting the crap I was sold in your body. So if you don't got anything positive to say keep your mouth shut. Keep negging me, someone someday will return the favor ..
Hey I too got the severe PIP. After 2 pins, there was no working out. The source is good and if there is an issue I'm sure they need to know. I thought at first maybe too high a solvent concentration, but this is usually only an issue when trying to get too much active in solution. With 250mg/ml it shouldn't be an issue. I don't think it's dirty,there is absolutely no sign of localized infection, but there may be an issue. I got a slight fever for a day or 2 after the first and second pin.. .. more than likely the solvent is washing rapidly leaving the the product crytalized in the muscle.. which hurts like hell and will slow absorption.. Pin 3 was only mild PIP and I don't expect any more severe pain. Must also remember it takes at least a week for your body to adjust and I would wage if those 2ml were from the first vial you would have not experienced the pain.. so I wouldn't throw it out. I have the same gear from same source..I personally tested it and there is absoulutely nothing wrong with it..
AnonSource pretty much said take it up with Sarcoplex after a few emails. Apparently the source thinks they can't replace the product just because I don't like it, even though I explained the extreme PIP. I don't think I will be dealing with that source anymore after there response, or lack of. Quad is still stiff and swollen after 5 days with limited movement.
I am a lttle surprised by sources response. Especially since I had a similar experience. As I said 3rd pin from same vial went with slight pip.
AnonSent my third email to source and hopefully they can send out 1 vial. If not, then I guess I cut my losses and keep trucking..
don't think sarcoplex gonna do shit for you bro, and yeah that source should replace your stuff.
After a year of research you should have known to pin one cc twice a weeks.
With the fresh muscles I recommend next shot use 2 syringes with 1/2 cc in each. Switch the needles with fresh ones after drawing. Shoot 1/2 cc in either each delt, quad, glute or ventroglute. I use 25 gauge for all, 5/8 for delt and ventro, 1inch for quad, 1.5 for glutes.
I understand your question, I don't think you're "blaming" the lab, just questioning it as a newb. Inexperienced, newb question and he gets negged.... Someone want to explain that?
Yeh.. I'll explain it. This guy has been going around claiming its a bad batch, meanwhile his whole injection protocol was fucked from the get go. I'm not saying it isn't a bad batch. But come on, really? 2ml jabbed into a virgin delt muscle? First self IM gear injection ever in his life! And he is claiming pip and inflammation... Well no shit. If hhe didn't get pip from that, then I'd start questioning if he were human.
I'm betting not only was the dosage/volume too high, oil was cold, his hand was unsteady, and he injected fast... and fuck knows what gauge/size pin he used. Get my point?
But in hindsight, I do recognize that he is a newb, asking a question and throwing around possible false accusations... But who hasn't at one point starting out? So I`ll remove my neg and give him a thumbs up out of compassion for the new guy. He also could be right and I don't want to look stupid. lol
AnonYou could neg me all you want bro. Fact is I shot 2cc in glute yesterday from different vial and guess what, smooth as butter. No PIP, followed the same protocol. Ya I'm a NewB but I also have common sense and reasoning skills.. As for the first vial that gave me extreme PIP, it's in the trash, wouldn't want anyone else to use that shit.. Have a nice day..
AnonCorrection 1cc...