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Hi...looking for input. I am 48, 225lbs...about 15% bf. I started working out about 3 months ago after a 10 year layoff. 4 times a week lifting, 3 times doing martial arts., Diet is impeccable with adequate protein. Not doing a lot of cardio. Prior to that I worked out my entire life..martial arts and lifting.
Started my first cycle about 6 weeks ago on Test E, 500mg/week.
My main goals are to get lean, get strong, prevent injury and build endurance (for martial arts). Note, I have no interest in gaining any particular mass. That being said...
What might be an average of water weight that I can expect to gain from my current cycle on Test E? It feels like I have lost 10-15lbs of body fat but put on about 10 -15 lbs of water.
If I run this cycle to 12 weeks, when should I start my PCT? What gear do you suggest?
For 2nd cycle, given my goals, what should I stack onto the Test E? And mg of each.
Thanks a million, your help is appreciated.
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should also mention I have anastrozole on hand.
I appreciate any/all comments...not taking anything personally. That said...I did do a resasonable amt of research prior and I do have PCT gear on hand; nolv and clomid. Just was not sure when to start it. I have read plenty of differing viewpoints, from waiting til 2weeks after last pin to starting from the cycle onset. So I was just looking to learn more, given my particular sitch. As for me, yes, it appears I am taking on water, but I am not panicked, or anything of the sort. From the onset, I assumed that water played an instrumental role in increased strength. I just didn't know how much. And if I could minimize it, while gaining the results desired, that would obviously be preferred., I also assumed that this would not be perfect as I could not know everything from the beginning, which is why I thought the 500/mg of test per week would leave me room for error. I am a little discouraged from reading some of your comments that I should have started with test p....I read more than one credible source that said p and e were virtually identical. Oh well.
In a nutshell, I am okay (not jacked) with where I'm at and if I should start with AI ( just learned that was an abbreviation yesterday) now or wait until end of 12 weeks. And if I really need to get bloodwork done, or ??? I would rather not, but I can do it.
Thanks again!
angusSend me a FR and we'll talk off the page. It drives me nuts when people comment and tell someone what they shouldn't have done but don't offer up advice of what they should do now. Ya you fucked up, that being said, lets get you right and send you down the road with the knowledge to prevent this from happening again.
cbrant10If you don't want to gain a lot of water weight I would have gone with test p but that's too late now. I have always used an AI which helps lessen water retention. You need to start pct 2 weeks after last pin. You will need nolvadex and clomid.
angusTest P or Test E doesn't even matter. The point is that if your estrogen gets too high you will retain water. Test E gets a bad rap because it aromatizes easier and therefore converts to estrogen easier. But just cause Test P doesnt' aromatize as easily doesnt' mean it doesn't do it at all. The whole point is that if you keep your estrogen in check then you won't hold water. People that are just starting out (again) don't want to pin every day like us veterans; therefore, they go with the long ester.
I should add that I am 6 1
angusYou didn't mention if you are taking an AI, if your estrogen is unchecked then you can retain a significant amount of water. I wouldn't recommend you looking for your next cycle until you have this one down to a science.
Standard PCT is wait two weeks after your last injection and take clomid and nolvadex at
100/100/50/50
40/40/20/20
respectively. Since you are 48 you might also consider adding some HCG, normally I would say that the test 500/wk cycle is too light for HCG but you might stand to benefit from it. The body has a harder time bouncing back the older it gets. So all the help we can get is beneficial.
RustyhookerBoom! Truth right here
Thanks for the input. I do not know what AI is...none the less, I am not taking anything else beyond the test. In the short amount of time I have started working out and began this cycle, I have got some fairly significant effects...more mass on arms and legs, more strength and significantly better endurance (on the mat). This is given that I have in no way amped up my lifting/workouts and still easing my way back into the groove, Again, that being said, I know my body fairly well and am thinking I have gained roughly 10 plus pounds of water,,,,you can see it in my face and chest, IF HCG, when would I start? what mg?
" I do not know what AI is" = not ready to cycle.. read up ask questions...be carefull man!
angusSigh.....ok brother, first thing you need to do is get your blood work done. Here are some instructions for an anonymous test
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/labwork
You are after your estogen. Testosterone E has a long half life in the body and converts to estrogen through a process known as aromatizing. The body has so much testosterone that it tries to get rid of some and converts it to estrogen. Once made estrogen levels can accumulate and make your body retain water. That's just the way it is. So we take these things called AI's that stand for aromatase inhibitors that prevents the body from making estrogen. This in turn keeps the water off. The higher the estrogen the more water you are going to retain until you look like you have a moon face. You will need an AI such as Aromasin to kill the estrogen in your body. But exactly how much depends on how high your estrogen is. Now you can take too much and kill all the estrogen in your body but thta would be bad too cause your body needs some to function properly. The blood work is the only possible way to know for sure.
So: Bloodtest, buy aromasin, post bloods, and we'll tell you how much to take.
As for the HCG, well, lets tackle that later.
brilliant. will do and thanks.
cbrant10You should have done a little more research before jumping right in. You can really mess your body up without proper on cycle support and pct. just try to get your hands on Adex or aromasin that will help you out.