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A bit of advice please?
Picked up on a lot of talk about using something like anavar towards the end of cycle.
How I understand it is, it's used to dry out the look of the gains made during cycle.
Doing test/eq for 16 weeks. I'm nearing the end of a 4 week dbol kicker. Great gains and very little bloat.
Will I need to add another product at the end. And if so, what would best suit?
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RustyhookerStraight bulking? Good winter mass?
And did you get filled in on eq taper time til pct? Pct protocols?
Hey Rustyhooker.
I always try to find out as much info on any drug before I put it in my body.
"IF YA DON'T KNOW, YA BETTER GET TO KNOW!"
RustyhookerWell, the above was questions.
hey bruva,
Yeah, got a couple of questions still. Can I pm ya?
I was going to add more, but these guys are killin it and giving you solid advice and I would only be repeating what they wrote, Impastable, Medx, and BigMurph are dropping the best ideas for you to get the most and best out of your cycle. Pay attention and GROW. I'm gonna plus you because you are on your way.
The reasons behind using oxandrolone towards the end of a cycle are more complex then what most "gym bros" will tell you.. Yes it hardens up muscle, is directly linked to decrease in adipose tissue in the abdominal area, and keeps you dry and vascular. BUT.. The main reasons why I would, theoretically, recommend using oxandrolone at the end of a cycle is because scientific studies have shown it to continue to exert its fat burning effects, particularly in the abdominal region, for up to 3 months after cessation use of the drug. Additionally it has been shown in males that the hpta exerts a rebound effect after stopping use of oxandrolone in which the body experiences a surge in testosterone. How and why this happens is unclear as to the studies I've read but this surge can help in the fact it happens when the drug is stopped, therefore going into pct or off hormones completely is complimented by a surge in testosterone because of oxandrolone.. So theoretically, based on these studies one could benefit from oxandrolone a fat burning qualities during their off time of 3 months until they get back on hormones, while at the same time recovering hpta function. These are what makes oxandrolone so special of a drug and why it is superior to other "cutting orals" IMO. I can locate these studies if interested, but I do not have the links on hand atm
Nice...i am still experiencing slight appettite suppression, too. My wrist injury has improved and there have been major positive changes noted, since using and finishing var over the course of the last couple weeks. Var is an effective AAS if it is intended for appropriate goals.
agreed. oxandrolone has amazing healing qualities and recovery time is very quick if ox is in my blood. oxandrolone and nandrolone are the two compounds i can train the most frequent with. its unfortunate you got appetite supression, that is unless your cutting, in which case.. lucky lol i have to watch my hunger even if i bulk because i can just keep pounding food no matter what i run. oxandrolone is definitely my top oral next to anadrol. imo, you simply dont need any other orals for bodybuilding purposes other than those two
I would get some bw and maybe donate a unit....just to be on the safe side...
Post cycle history. Thx.
bigmurphIf you're already running I wouldn't change your cycle 1/4way through also don't recommend running 2 orals.You should concentrate on your pct you're running for 16 wks so the only thing to recommend would be hcg for the last 8 wks to help you recover faster.
Get cycle history, could be his 1st run.
bigmurphYour right but he told me he has run before and because he was all ready in 4 wks I figured I could go ahead and start giving some advice but your right I should have gotten the facts before I did anything I dropped the ball on this one
Ain't my 1st run bruva.
Let us know your entire cycle history so we can help instead of guess, it only helps you in the long run.
Sweet bruva, I appreciate it.
1st cycle.
Oxybol 75ml ed
Run for six weeks. No pct what so ever. I was at her majesties pleasure. And didn't know any better.
2nd cycle
Enantest 400. Two shots per week. Run 10 weeks. Usual Nolvadex pct.
3rd cycle. On it now.
Test 600 ew, split
Eq 600 ew, split
Dbol 50 ed
Adex 0.5 e3d
I'm on week 3
Clomid/Nolvadex for pct
BigMurph has you covered but you need to remember, more is not always better, You do show each cycle getting bigger then the last. If you find something is not working do not blame the AAS, blame your training and diet. Plan out a nutrition plan before you plan the cycle. Food is a hell of a lot more important then the drugs and if you are not eating enough to feed the muscle no amount of aas is going to make you big/lean/cut. Lay out what your nutrition plan will be for your cycle, then lay out the cycle, look at them both together and see what you need to either change or lower. Post it for us to see and then explain why you chose it. I know I'm asking you to do some work but trust me a lightbulb will go off in your brain.
FKIN A..... oh yes the light bulb...in some of us its like a 3-way bulb....bright....brighter...brightest....
I understand where ya coming from IrishMack.
As I stated before, I eat real clean. But to my detriment, I couldn't give u any weight values. Apart from protein content. And I know this is exactly what your pointing out. The light bulb went on but then I broke it, lol.
U offered to review my cycle earlier but obviously it's come down to nutrition. Will ya point in right direction with this please
Im not looking for macros and tdee I just want to see what you plan on eating during your cycle, it just needs to generalize because eating the same thing every day gets extremely boring and its a big reason why diets fall off track as your body naturally will reject it and you wont be hungry eating the same thing every day Give me a run down of how many times a day and how much calories/protein/carbs per sitting. This is how you grow either if you are a recreational trainer or hardcore.
This will be so generalised apart from protein intake, I ain't worked out carbs and calories.
So, 6am brown bread×2 with 3 eggs.
9am organic jumbo oats.
10am trainning.
11am shake and banana.
2pm brown rice or wholemeal pasta, smoked 2 makrell or tuna.
4pm shake and apple or orange.
6pm 2 chicken/Turkey/white fish, veg, yams/sweet potato/ baby potatoes.
9pm cottage cheese with raisins/sultanas.
Total protein 200g
Now u made me feel bad for not measuring it out.
Don't feel bad about it, Irish is giving you some great guidance. Not everyone measures out their foods, but it's a great thing to do if you're not really sure about how much you're getting from your meals.
For example, what I consider two potatoes can be completely different than what you consider it, so when it comes to weight we are all on a universal scale.
Also, your protein intake should be 2g/lb of mass... There's two schools of thought on this from what I've seen. Either 2g/lb of total body mass, or 2g/lb of lean body mass.
In your case, at 183lbs you should be aiming for 366g per day, or at your lean body mass of should be aiming for 322g per day.
Hey bruva.
I got a couple more questions.
Can I pm ya?
Of course.
Thanks people.
I appreciate the reply
Nice....
Thumbs up for postin diet...get a food scale and weigh ur food...add in 12-16oz of meat ethier at 6 or 9. Carbs and fats can be increased thru more vegetable and salads with tablespoons of olive oil on everything...
Throw some oil in the shakes as well... 2 TBSP in a shake and you've just earned another 240 calories, 28g of some good fats...
Ohhh hell yeeah
bigmurphYou did make a pretty big jump on the way you run your cycles
I would have recommended this cycle to be a
12wk test dbol kicker
How were your gains from these cycles did you reach your goals
Your pct are you running the basic protocol or are you going to extend to 5-6wks long
With the 1st cycle, I lost virtually mass gains by the time I got back on road. Looking back it was to be expected.
2 cycle was amazing. Gained 25lbs. Only lost 12lbs on completion.
So far, this cycle. 3 weeks in, gained 16lbs.
Intention with pct was standard.
But I'm open to suggestions
bigmurphSince you're running 16wks and multiple compounds at mid to high levels you're going to need a really solid pct first to keep almost all your gains or at least as much as you can. The hcg is a good addition to help just running 250iu for the last 8wks of your cycle will keep your body in a good place so when you start pct you will be already on the road to recovery.
Also by extending your pct to clomid/nolva
Wk1-2 100/40
Wk3-50/20
If you don't run the hcg I would say run 6wk pct but if you run hcg 4-5wk should be fine
bigmurphSince you're running 16wks and multiple compounds at mid to high levels you're going to need a really solid pct first to keep almost all your gains or at least as much as you can. The hcg is a good addition to help just running 250iu for the last 8wks of your cycle will keep your body in a good place so when you start pct you will be already on the road to recovery.
Also by extending your pct to clomid nolva
Right I'm with ya on the pct.
With the Hcg, is it the 8 weeks up to last shot or up to pct?
Also at what frequency
bigmurphI like to run 8 wks to pct and you will need to take your ai right till the end because hcg is going to give you a estro boost. I need you to research hcg your going to see a lot of different opinions on how to run it because its a hot debate. Just research the facts of what it does and how its going to help you I want you to have knowledge about it before you take it.
Wks 11-18 250iu -500iu once a week or every 5 days
Start with 250iu and if your balls get some life back then stick with that dose if you are not seeing a change then increase to 500iu.
Also with the eq since undeclynate is such a long ester you could wait closer to 3 weeks from last pin to start pct but adjust hcg if you are going to wait 3wks start wk12 instead of 11.
Damn bruva!
I've read virtually every post I can find on Hcg.
Different doses, frequency and start finish dates.
My head is in a spin!
Dosage and frequency I will agree with ya. I have a very acute response to anything that I put in my body. So I think what u said is a good starting point. But when to fire off with it, I'm not yet sure. Not that I disagree with you. Just too many opinions to process
I appreciate ya time bruva.
"IF YA DON'T KNOW, GET TO KNOW!"
bigmurphIt is a very hot debate some people want to run hcg on cycle like me some like to do a blast right before pct some have other crazy ways they believe work.
But I can tell you that using for the last 8 wks up to pct is the way to go. 90%of people here on eroids agree with this protocol
bigmurphI told him to put it up for you and meddx that you to are knowledgeable and could help him even more he is typing it up now
dont short change yourself, I have not seen you give terrible advice and you have the patience of a saint, I might need you to train me on that lol.
X2... ole murph movin outta prospect status...bout to gettem an eroids cutt...lol.
bigmurphAlmost there
Stay solid.....
bigmurphI never stray far from solid
bigmurphI appreciate it but once I heal up after seeing your crossfit made you a star pic im going to be picking your brain about somethings for sure
Anytime.
HCG! Ok
Pct is already lined up. And to be honest I never heard of hcg until looking at this site.
bigmurphDo your research if you have any questions hit me up you can send me a fr request. You should hurry if you are going to use it also I assume you have some type of ai on hand because you will definitely need it if you plan on running hcg
Also what strength are you running all your compounds at for the 16 wks including what you ran the dbol at.
Did you get some blood work done I recommend it so you can see where you're at and make adjustments accordingly
Yeah, got ai to hand. Just thought cost I'm running three compounds I'd run adex. I've never had and sides previously though.
As I said before bruva, cover all the angles.
"IF U DON'T KNOW, GET TO KNOW?"
bigmurphThat's a great saying I like that im going to send you a fr