posted Fri, 08/05/2016 - 15:59
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Is it worth it?
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I know this type of post may be so played out and people are tired of reading it but I just want to really get the full run down on this.... Is Deca worth it? Even at a measly 300mg per week? Will it make THAT much of a difference in a cycle with Test E? Will the gains and strength Out weigh the potential issues this drug can cause? I'd love to run it but I'm honestly still scared at this point because of rumors I hear. I hear so much good yet so much bad as well. For all you Deca gurus and lovers, please state your opinion.
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Bro, deca is not a controversial compound.
I've read this thread and all the issues raised below are certainly real.
That said, it remains as staple compound in the mass building arsenal of anabolics. Nothing really has replaced it since it's introduction in bodybuilding in the 1960's.
Yes, it will make a significant difference in your overall gains on cycle even as low as 300 mg / wk.
Personally, if I am not running a cycle of shorts, I'm not going to pin NPP. As I recommended to you in a previous post, as said below, deca does take a bit of time to kick and you are free to extend the cycle to 14 weeks and drop deca week 12 to get the most out of the compound.
All steroid compounds should be respected bro and it seems like you have a healthy sense of apprehension which is a good thing.
But, personally, deca doesn't rise to the level of being "scary" IMHO.
Hell yeah man that's what I wanted to hear. Health is obviously my biggest concern I would never put shit into my body that could potentially wreck me. Funny thing is, after this cycle I plan on trying to get the Mrs. prego , so I must take serious care of my junk on this stuff lol of course a blood test will determine all of that
Bro, if you're trying to start a family, I would do that first before getting on any cycle. Do guys get their wives pregnant while on cycle? Sure, happens all the time.
But, all steroids are gonna lower your FSH and LH and sperm count and everyone takes different times to recover after a cycle and become fertile again.
Get your sperm count checked now since this is not your first rodeo. Make sure you are fertile. Then give your wife a baby. And after that, start your cycle.
Best advice I can give bro.
What are your stats bro? How experienced are you?
Seems like everyone prefers NPP over Deca... I just don't like pinning so much
If I was going to cycle nandrolone again, I would use phenyl prop...
NPP sounds great. The shutdown with Deca doesn't scare me, it's the whole dick thing that gets to me. Can't let my woman down, we look forward to our fun in the bedroom a few times a week if ya know what I mean... But I hear prolactin is easy to control w caber
I don't think deca dick is really much of an issue if you run it right and run something to control the prolactin. Even on a retarded deca only cycle that I ran when I was younger I didn't experience deca dick.
I've had a couple of tren cycles though that I got tren/deca dick. There wasn't ever a problem getting it up the problem (at least for me was getting off. Bad tren dick and you could have 5 porn star chicks working you and you still can't get off.
I've experienced both...delayed ejac and inadequate erectness...Definitely takes more concentration, time, focus, etc...
Yeap Ive had that. One dose of caber and literally a day later problem solved. So I'm one of this guys that runs low dose caber from the start on a tren cycle. I do always pull mid cycle bloods and prolactin comes in below range or very low in range.
RustyhookerFirst cycle in 7 years....stayed below by OP
Test only bro. 7 years and your body is like a newer car. Do a test only cycle PROPERLY with bloodwork week 5 to dial in extra to max the gains.
I agree. If certain goals are required for nandrolone decanoate, then obviously the long ester and a titrated macros and calories will help...but it all depends on goals, experience, and foods...when I used it I was young and my carbs were low, so my abs and body reached a definition that was scary...
No no mate I'm just saying my FIRST cycle were 7 years ago I may have stated that wrong, my last cycle was 6 months ago it was a Test, Masteron and Dbol cycle. I've ran a total of 6 cycles since my first one 7 years ago
RustyhookerAhhh. Thanks for clearing that up. I liked npp starting 2nd week. Ran npp twice at 300 and liked it. Full pump all day. Felt good in gym. High protein and good gym blasts....boom!
Deca would be less pins.
Might post your macros for the food dudes.
moojIn the past I thought it was just an add on if you wanted a bit of extra size - now I wouldn't cycle without it. For me its the NPP version though as normal deca just takes too long to work and gives me horrendous facial acne. Before I hit 440lb bench a year ago I didn't feel the need for it, but now to keep the shoulders lubed and healthy its a necessity to keep progressing, especially with a close grip bench session once a week also. Its great for quick strength too, the initial increases are on par with Tren but obviously don't keep building & building each month Lol I only run 350mg of it and I find that's all that's needed. The only side I note is you feel a bit more limp Lol but the feeling I get from it is kinda like a dBol high. Peace :-)
NPP is the way to go bro!
It's my favorite. Not condoning anything just stating an opinion.
My first dumbass cycle was a deca only cycle. Needless to say, I've had a bad taste in my mouth ever since.
In my defense back then the Internet was dial up and it took longer to look up information than it did to slip across the border to a TJ pharmacia.
At the time Juan the Pharmacisto told me the deca redi-jects were my best option.
That's a hit. Deca only smh.
I thought they communicated by cave drawings then. Not Internet....
Lol. Come on bro..I'm not that old! Lol, however, I may or may not have had to use animal pelts and some hand woven hand crafts to pay for the deca.
I personally don't think it's worth it. Especially if you are planning on cycling.
It works good and the sides are relatively low, but the shutdown is too long and hard for my taste.
I think NPP is a better option but hey..everyone is different..
bigmurphI just ran npp and loved it but the main question is do you want to take the chance that you will be on trt for life after this cycle if you're ok with that then take the plunge especially if it fits your goals it will put a good amount of solid actual muscle on your frame but remember you get out of any cycle what you put in.
I ran 300mgs of really good npp a wk and my cycle went great. There is also the extra money involved buying caber or prami and go with pharma grade.
Also have you considered running Proviron with the cycle to free up test help with estro and keep your dick working if you dial everything in right and get bloods done.
Another thing is you have choices like eq and npp or even primo if your bf is slim.
Whatever you choose good luck and good gains brother
I have caber .25 tabs on hand just in case. Here's the thing with me though, 7 years ago my first two cycles were Test E and dbol n they were very long cycles. Stupidly, both cycles I did NOT pct because at that time I didn't really care if I was gonna be on trt or not... Both cycles I recovered within 4 weeks and my balls grew back to normal very quickly. So my HPTA is extremely resilient. Obviously I PCT now a days and always make 110% recovery. Could I withstand Deca like I do with test and other steroids?? How will my balls of steel and HPTA hold up against the notorious Deca...
bigmurphThis was a big part of my decision to use npp because I've ran alot of cycles and im surprised I can still pct with success. Im still on pct right now though so I can't say if im going to start trt because of it.
I definitely used hcg to help with recovery and had all pharma grade pct products except I used a highly reputable brand for Nolvadex.
So its a definite concern, one i also had.
I haven't run deca, but just got some great advice from another Eroids member on my next cycle. I am currently in a natural cut and lost great weight due to keto like diet and a lot of cardio. My next cycle will be Test C, (I am a TRT guy at 200 mg per week so will be increasing Test C to 500 mg per week), EQ at 500 mg, for 12 weeks. Will finish off with Test C and Mast E. Looking for slow gains and good lean muscle that will stay.