posted Tue, 11/21/2017 - 19:47
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Alright guys I need some advice. Doing a basic cycle Test E 500mg a week for 12 weeks and kick starting w dbol 30mg ED for 4 weeks. Here's the thing, I hate orals and especially dbol because the last few times I've taken it over the years I've gotten sick and nauseous and I can't even keep food down. I don't know why but me and dbol just can't get along. So I'm tossing the dbol. If I up my test to 600mg week without the dbol will there be any noticeable difference ? Just trying to make gains/strength without getting sick :(
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I ran that exact cycle and dosage years ago. I never had any G.I issues from dbol I would suggest splitting the dose and not taking on an empty stomach. The weird thing is I had the worst stomach issues from adding anavar to a cycle (yes real var) and when I split my dose up and took them with food it helped a good bit. Everyone is different you can't go off of any one persons experience you have to know your body and what your putting in it. Maybe orals arnt for you or maybe it's the lab? As for upping the test you won't see much difference if any from upping 500 to 600mg. 500 is a good dose you should see good results with that and proper diet and training.
RustyhookerGood info.
More test the better in my eyes.
RustyhookerAge: 27
Height: 6ft1
Weight: 210
BF: Some
Haha... dont post dumb comment. Thats not how this place works
My bad if I said something wrong I don't claim to be a expert. I'm not sure why my age is highlighted in red, and if I said something dumb at least elaborate. That way I can learn and move on. This isn't a one man show, we are all in this together.
When we give advice here, we give advice to everything the same as you would advise you son or daughter with the intent of safety being #1. We see a lot of answers that are not even close to being good advice & we as a community have to police this site due to the fact that some young kid will read stupid comments like “like more test better, & he decides to do a gram of test a week on his first cycle.
Ok, thanks for elaborating more. I'll admit that the comment I posted was done with out much thought, but I meant no bad by it. I'll be more careful next time.
First thing you do is look at their stats or ask for their statsbwhem they’re new & looking for AAS advice. Cycle history is the next important factor. There are thousands of people blowing through here everyday & many are teenagers looming for advice without asking & they take it all as gospel.
basskiller89I’m new here and agree with the guys saying 500mg is plenty for 12 weeks. My 3 cents is to ask what your pinning schedule looks like. Some guys including myself see better results pinning 2 or 3 times a week when running for 12 weeks. Maybe just placebo but I offer my 3 cents to you
No reason to go above 500 Bro ... have you tried different dbols? Sometimes the fillers that certain sources use can cause this rather than the actual compound.
Good advice, a lot of fillers are the real reason for the stomach probs. Once I used 50mg oxy ( only pre ) from an ugl and got so horrible heartburn like when I use 150-200mg/day for 4 weeks of a well known pharma grade quality oxy. Just as an example!
Injectable dbol son
There's nothing wrong with test only. Kickers are completely optional. In the long run, it's not like they contribute heavily to your keepable lean body mass. It's a little boost, no more no less. If anything it can be counterproductive if it causes your strength to skyrocket early in a cycle and makes you overreach quickly and stall in your program or worse, get a connective tissue injury, strain, or overuse injury. Slow and steady gains are the ones you keep--and keep you injury free--even on steroids. Hell, especially on steroids.
IMO half a gram of test is enough to accomplish growth.If you want a kicker try a different oral.Anadrol is a good alternative to dbol without most of the estrogen sides.I can't speak of it will still upset you stomach .As the others below have stated adding proviron can help as well.Good luck!
Bro read again he doesn't want to take an oral "kicker".
Actually he said,he hates orals because dbol makes him sick.Anadrol is not dbol.His thought process that 600mg will give him better gains than 500mg is misguided.probably only give him more estrogen.That's why proviron is a good option,or if only wants depot he could go with mast e.
with kicker I meant dbol or drol not provi!
and if he doesn't like dbol I think drol will make him more probs like heartburn , headache , no appetite and so on...but its all a quest about how he dosages the gear.
Provi is a good advice I use it too in every cycle and I feel better since I do it.
I see your point.I do get head aches with drol the first week.I don't do dbol at all,too much estro.My appetite doesn't suffer with drol but if it did it would be worrisome.I rarely use orals at all but if I do it's usually anavar,sometimes winny.I do use drol some in the first three weeks but never dbol.Anyway have a good day brother !
Hello Sir,
I am not aware of what is your experience in regards to AAS before but unless you are at the beginning stage and testing each hormonal substance separately and what it does to your body, it is always a very good practice to mix injectable range compound with oral range compound due to their synergetic effect - an effect arising between two or more agents, entities, factors, or substances that produces an effect greater than the sum of their individual effects. It is opposite of antagonism. Now you could be taking 1g of Test compound and have average results. In other scenario you could be taking 500mg of Test based compund and add oral compound and have an amazing results.
Considering the side effects you are getting from dbol, tbol or, as @Rustyhooker mentioned, Provi would be a good alternatives.
Hope this helps Sir.
Regards
RustyhookerTest 500 and provi week 4 to pct. Best combo for free test.
Please research sex binding hormone.
Obviously doesn’t effect me since I run provi year round on TRT with a week break every few months- but what’s the reasoning for waiting until week 4 on a cycle?
Cause the Test E. needs time to kick in.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^boom.
The reason i ask folks to read and research sex binding hormone. Its not just suddenly there. As your body fights to get axis on track, sbh slowly raises. Natural defense...
Wait... honest question- Are you stating that there is not shbg in males already without exogenous testosterone?
Proviron has been shown increase free test levels in males not on exogenous hormones, so that’s why I’m confused by your statement.
Also, I’m interested to know, would one benefit from the binding proviron does to the aromitase enzyme early on? Or does it essentially not matter either way.
You really should know a little more about proviron if you use it year round
It doesnt increase free test levels and doesnt bind enzymes
It prooooobably shouldnt be used year round either
RustyhookerIt doesnt increase free test levels
Come again? Bloods prove it
Nah you're missing my point...
It does not actually raise them, it prevents shbg lowering them
Its a subtle difference, but in line with what you say. i.e. end result = better free or bioavail T. It does the very same for estrogen though, ironically.
Ppl think they can lower shbg with provi but as you said before they are just fighting the body trying to return to homeostasis
RustyhookerYes!!! Perfectly said. I get to flying too quickly at times.
A fisherman sees another fisherman from afar...... no homo
lol
RustyhookerId throw my best forrest gump wave!
Haha
RustyhookerQuestion is exactly why i keep telling folks to research.
Everyones natural sbh level is different. Again, i repeat the word natural. So the question should be.... how does the body return to natural testosterone levels while we are on cycle ?
Sex binding hormones job is grabbing ahold of excess testosterone in an attempt to regain homeostasis. Natural levels, natural balance and natural axis.
If youre on cycle with test level 3200... 500mg/week. And bloods show free test at 195 as example. Then 195 is USEABLE free test. The rest is useless until its unbound ..... sbh lowered. This is why you see guys posting their 3200 with free test up at 900.
Proviron doesn't bind to AI.It binds to the estrogen receptor but doesn't cause activity.It increases free test by lowering shbg.It does this with or without exogenous test.Without exogenous test however,proviron has very little anabolic benefit,even though it is a dht compound.
It doesnt bind to the ER and doesnt lower shbg! It doesnt actually increase free test either, just stops shbg lowering it
When you google it,it says that it is a DHT made compound that binds to the ER without causing action.PDR says the same thing.Evoloution says ,that since the advent of SERMS that it's usefulness for body building is outdated.Most of the ones who use however ,it swear by the libido increasing effect.
So what you're saying is that it doesn't lower shbg but lessens the affinity of it?
I may stand corrected on aromatase and anti-estrogenic effects. Can you share any links of substance on it??
Here is something though that miiiiight lead the conversation on a different path.... would you believe proviron actually increases the bioavailability of estrogen?
It has the same effect on all sex hormones... test estro prolactin etc!
Yes so what it does is simply bind with higher affinity to shbg leaving sex hormones to circulate unbound (free).
Just google and read the wiki.Also the link on Evolution.com.It may be some bro science,but that's where I got the info.
I can believe that it increases anabolic affinity of everything.I also suspect the libido increase is just from the added DHT.I personally don't use it because of hair loss.The same with Masteron,which some say is the injectable version.Truth is blood work usually proves the free test part but I haven't studied it enough,since I don't use it.I appreciate your info thanks for commenting.
Yeah i read the wiki, nothing on it other than talk of its use by aas heads.
I scoured the med lit but the majority of it is for fertility and from the 70s with no ref to ER... which doesnt really mean anything as there was limited knowledge of such things back then
Libido effect is real for sure, dht effect plus free test effect... but i think is milder than you would see with other dhts like winnie
All interedting stuff
Yes I use winny as well.It serves the same purpose but much more anabolic.I also don't lose hair,though some do.For me it's about anabolic so I don't really have a place for it but am doing research because some on here have said it increases fertility.
That’s what I figured- thanks brotha.
For AIs it’s an obvious given one needs to wait a few weeks on long esters- but with provi in my understanding, one can take that without exogenous testosterone.
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True, since the first time I've used Provi in a cycle I noticed how effectfull it is! As always good advice rusty!
I forgot to wrote this advice in my comment below.
Prop makes a great kicker imo. Proviron is a great addition and it’s easy on the stomach.
I hate dianabol and never use it , I used to use turinabol as a kicker but now I just do simple test-e cycles . If dianabol makes you sick then don't use it .
Yes you will get more bloated if you use it as kicker and strength, aggression goes up a bit faster but if you had only issues with dbol in the past so why will u use it again? Do a moderate Test E. only cycle and finish with a good PCT! And you will see in the end you will be happy cause a cycle with heartburns, nausea and no appetite makes not much sense!
Dbol makes me strong and mentally focused in the gym but it's just not worth it anymore. Good ol test E has never done me wrong. Always make crazy gains from Test only cycles
That cycle you posted looks exactly like a cookie cutter one listed for first cycles... I found it somewhere a while back... anyhow the dbol being the product that helps jump start the gain train...
Well, that said, noting you get "crazy gains" on test only and at 500.. why change a good thing?
Those seem like easy and simple choices... reading between the lines in your post... felt that is what you where looking for.. cheers!